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Old 15-08-2009, 09:20 AM
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Ice in Space 2009 Compendium - images

Hi everyone

To our astro imagers - the time has come to start preparing your images for inclusion in our 80-odd page compendium. Please DO NOT PM me with any images just yet - read on.

Mike Salway will be issuing a statement soon regarding costs, etc, so I'm not going to discuss those here, suffice to say that I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. We will, however, need to cover ALL print costs before we go ahead and print, by accumulating orders an asking for pre-payment ahead of time. No-one here can be asked to carry the burden of paying for an entire print run out of their own money - so we know you'll all understand.

As far as subject matter goes, there are no rules that we're setting. There is one single point I'd like to make: "This is not a competition, and all images are accepted - even if they are of the same object that another imager is submitting." All skill levels of imagers are being treated equally. This is your chance to see your own baby in print - irrespective of how long you've been imaging. Think of it as a record of the way you were imaging "way back" in 2009!

Of course, if I do get double-ups, I'll offer that information to the two or more imagers involved in an attempt to ascertain whether or not any of them have an alternate offering. Easy! Otherwise - no problem.

What I'll need from you:

1) Main image - this can be an object or collage of objects that you've imaged - and it does not have to be from this year. It just has to be your best. The image will be placed on a 200x200mm (8" square) page with 5mm bleed all around (which is trimmed from the page after it is printed) - so the total image area needs to have a print document dimension of 210mmx210mm. Resolution at this size needs to be 300dpi - or as close to this as possible. I've set a lower limit of 250dpi - but NO lower, otherwise we can't use it.

2) Insert image (around 1/6th page) - this image should be of yourself, your imaging rig, both, observatory, or whatever is relevant to how the main image was captured. It will take around quarter of the page and be laid over the top of your main image in one (least busy) corner. I reserve the right to rotate or resize your main image a little to accommodate this.

3) A description of your main image (including both common name and catalogue number) and basic processing technique. 30 words or less. A description of you and your rig - again, 30 words or less please. Please supply this in a plain text file using Notepad, SimpleText or similar, and make sure your file extension is ".txt".


Main image: In Photoshop (or other image editing program you use), go to the "Image Size". Disregard "Pixel Dimensions" and make sure that your "Document Size" is sized to no smaller than 210mm on its smallest side at 300dpi.

If you have a planetary 640x480 pixel webcam image to present as your main image, then at 300 dpi it will print no larger than a couple of inches across on the page. We do not want to artificially increase the images' resolution in Photoshop, so we will ask that you supply at least two variations and hopefully three. I'll arrange them in a mosaic that will fill the page at their original resolution just nicely. The other quarter of the page will be used for your secondary (rig, etc) photo.

As a general rule, please do NOT crop any images. I'd rather have the full thing and work with it here to suit. Better I have more to play with than less.

Colour model: Please be aware that I will be separating all RGB imges received to CMYK colour space for printing using a fairly generic "US Web Coated (SWOP) V2" colour space setting. Luminance will be a little critical, so in general, pump up your luminance a little as images generally lose a bit in print. If you know what you're doing, you can supply with a pre-separated TIFF or PSD file if you wish, otherwise, just give me your best RGB JPG file as you would normally print on your own colour laser or inkjet printer and I'll do the rest. I will be receiving a few random proof prints from the printers as we go, and will use these to judge how the images we have are performing on press. Proofs will NOT be issued back to individual imagers - so please don't ask. We cannot guarrantee absolutely faithful colour reproduction in print, so please be aware that your final image will be presented the best way it can in print, but may not necessarily be the same as you'd print yourself in RGB colour space at home. Just a warning!!! Those of you who have seen your own images in professional print before will know what I mean.

Finally - please KEEP your images ready for a week or so, as I'm off this afternoon to Border Stargaze and won't be back until the 23rd of August. Mike Salway will be issuing a statement regarding where to upload your ZIPPED folder of image and text files to shortly. I will be on my little iPhone's web browser for the next week, and will try and answer any questions you may have if I can. Otherwise, please be patient and I'll be back in just over a week.

Have fun selecting your best image, and make sure to take one of your rig or you at your rig as well.



IIS people wo have already uploaded their submission, and whose folder I have downloaded and emptied:

1) Big Dave
2) sheeny
3) Matt Wastell
4) Astrobserver99
5) RobF
6) Alchemy
7) erick
8) Quark
9) turbo_pascale

For instructions on uploading, please see post#11.
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Old 15-08-2009, 09:47 AM
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Old 15-08-2009, 09:51 AM
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Top stuff Chris !
Really looking forward to the book.

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Old 15-08-2009, 10:16 AM
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hopefully you are back by now...

Q. I see you are aiming for a 210 x 210 image size total, the sample pics you have provided are blacked out at the bottom with titles overlaid. therefore the actual image provided (astrophoto)for the page is smaller than the page (y/n)

Q. If the above is corect what is the ideal pixel count for the horizontal and vertical sides required given some area will be taken up by the lower border ( can organize in photoshop to exact pixels)

Q. if one wishes to keep the full image as captured can an additional black border be at the top to keep its composition true to its original capture.

Q. if a crop is the only way you will allow, so to keep the book all the same, can a smaller shot be provided with a crop to give an indication of the imagers prefferred composition.

.... thats all i can think of at the moment
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Old 26-08-2009, 05:01 PM
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Just thought id ask again ?

as per previous queries

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Old 26-08-2009, 09:34 PM
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Chris,
Got my stuff ready, just waiting for the upload directory from Mike.

Would it be an idea to have in the top corner of each person’s page their IIS avatar icon, location and any Astro clubs they belong to?
I was surprised a while ago, someone I was chatting to was in the same club and they were using their 'web alias IIS name' - I had no idea!
See my attached crude ms paint picture to help illustrate.

Also a small spool on yourself (say a few lines) - not just about the gear? Maybe use vertically down the side of the page may look good????
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Old 26-08-2009, 10:17 PM
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Q. I see you are aiming for a 210 x 210 image size total, the sample pics you have provided are blacked out at the bottom with titles overlaid. therefore the actual image provided (astrophoto)for the page is smaller than the page (y/n)
This depends on the aspect ratio of the image. Please just supply to fit whole 210x210mm area (5mm all around will be trimmed) and I'll fit as required.

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Q. If the above is corect what is the ideal pixel count for the horizontal and vertical sides required given some area will be taken up by the lower border ( can organize in photoshop to exact pixels)
Again - don't work in pixels. You are not producing an image for screen presentation. Supply it with a print document dimension of 210x210mm at 300dpi.

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Q. if one wishes to keep the full image as captured can an additional black border be at the top to keep its composition true to its original capture.
Just make sure you mention that you'd absolutely insist on maintaining your aspect ratio in your included text file. Generally I'll be working to this anyhow - after all, I image too!

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Q. if a crop is the only way you will allow, so to keep the book all the same, can a smaller shot be provided with a crop to give an indication of the imagers prefferred composition.
Just mention it in the text. Maybe also provide a second low-resolution version of your image wih your preferred crop area indicated.
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Old 26-08-2009, 10:23 PM
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Chris,
Got my stuff ready, just waiting for the upload directory from Mike.

Would it be an idea to have in the top corner of each person’s page their IIS avatar icon, location and any Astro clubs they belong to?

I was surprised a while ago, someone I was chatting to was in the same club and they were using their 'web alias IIS name' - I had no idea!

See my attached crude ms paint picture to help illustrate.

Also a small spool on yourself (say a few lines) - not just about the gear? Maybe use vertically down the side of the page may look good????
Good stuff Dave.

I've already had a look at the avatar, and we won't have room. The page will already be crowded. Also, have a look at my original posts to see that your IIS name is already included.

This explains the last question:

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3) A description of your main image (including both common name and catalogue number) and basic processing technique. 30 words or less. A description of you and your rig - again, 30 words or less please. Please supply this in a plain text file using Notepad, SimpleText or similar, and make sure your file extension is ".txt".
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Old 26-08-2009, 11:36 PM
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Upload time is here... :)

OK all - I'll offer my own server for you to upload material to (via FTP) for the IIS Compendium '09:

Please see the attached image to show you the server login details. I'd rather not show them here in plain text which robots might grab.

You may use any common FTP program such as FileZilla, gFTP, etc. Go here to find one if you need to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...lient_software


When you log in, simply do these two things:

1) Create a new folder for yourself and call it after your IIS user name.

2) Go to that folder and upload your 2 images (main pic plus rig/you) and a plain text.txt file describing the main image (30 words or so, giving the DATE of image aquisition and then a short blurb on HOW you processed it) and yourself/rig (also 30 words or so and please not a Word document if you can avoid it), or a zip file containing everything in the one archive.

Please PM me that you've done it. That will trigger me to download material as soon as I see it and delete it from the server once I have it - so that it doesn't sit there exposed. I'll leave the folder as a reminder, but will empty it after download. Please be aware that I'll be doing this!!!

I have left this FTP destination totally open for the purpose of gathering these images from you. Please be careful in there and don't go deleting or using anyone elses folder. I'd prefer to have a user set up for everyone separately but don't have a way of doing this. It's basically anonymous FTP we're dealing with here. No responsibility is taken for you images. If any are lost I'll simple ask for them again. Ill run a list of whose I have in this thread.

If all else fails and you can't get FTP going, please see my email address in the image. I'd prefer not to take your material this way, but if you can't get your FTP upload going then it's a fallback. Whilst my email server is set to take huge files, yours may not be capable of sending them.

I'm looking at closing submissions on Saturday 12th September. That gives you all a couple of weeks which is, I hope, seen as fair.

Let's go!!
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Old 27-08-2009, 06:25 PM
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Hi Chris,

Thought this was a great idea, however, all of my planetary images are 72 DPI but look fine when I print them out. I have no idea how to provide them at 300 DPI. When I print them out I can adjust the DPI on my printer but I can't see how to provide jpg's at 300 DPI when my images are 72 DPI.

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Old 27-08-2009, 06:35 PM
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Hi Chris,

Thought this was a great idea, however, all of my planetary images are 72 DPI but look fine when I print them out. I have no idea how to provide them at 300 DPI. When I print them out I can adjust the DPI on my printer but I can't see how to provide jpg's at 300 DPI when my images are 72 DPI.

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No problem Trevor - just supply what you have. Do you have at least four images so that I can tile them?
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Hi Chris,

I have some excellent images of the longest lived storm ever recorded on Saturn and also number two on the list, however they are annatoted and I no longer have the original avi's due to a catastophy with one of my satellite drives.

How about I send a selection of my Saturn images and some of the Wesley Impact on Jup in case the Saturn images are a problem.

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Old 28-08-2009, 07:32 AM
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Yep - sounds great Trevor - anything you like as long as it's recent which yours, of course, are. Thanks!
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Chris,

I realise you're doing your best to remove the files from the server quickly to reduce exposure but hopefully I wouldn't offend by asking if we can encrypt our zip with a password and PM you the password?

It is an enormous amount of effort you are going to for this, we will have a lot to thank you for at the end when we see the great end result.

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Old 28-08-2009, 12:08 PM
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Chris,

I realise you're doing your best to remove the files from the server quickly to reduce exposure but hopefully I wouldn't offend by asking if we can encrypt our zip with a password and PM you the password?

It is an enormous amount of effort you are going to for this, we will have a lot to thank you for at the end when we see the great end result.

Thanks,
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Can't see why not Roger - a good idea.
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thanks Chris I am uploading my files now, may take a while. Hope i did the right thing
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Cheers David - I'm opening them all in the morning tomorrow and let you all know. Looks like a lot of data - so that's good

So far:

1) Big Dave
2) sheeny
3) Matt Wastell
4) Astrobserver99
5) RobF
6) Alchemy
7) erick
8) Quark
9) turbo_pascale
10) h0ughy
11) Hagar
12) Liz
13) Mill
14) multiweb
15) Tandum

Keep 'em coming!
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If it keeps going like this it will not be a very thick table book
With only 12 day's to go and the need of about 60 more entrants
I could afcourse send all my favourite pics in and fill the book up a bit
Please people, send in your pics if you want to be in this
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