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Old 07-01-2013, 08:25 AM
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Closest asteroid in recorded history

"The asteroid, referred to as 2012 DA14, has a diameter of approximately 45m and an estimated mass of 130,000 tonnes.
It was discovered at the start of 2012 and is set to travel between the Earth and our geostationary communication satellites on 15 February 2013.
At a distance of just 22,500km this will be the closest asteroid ‘fly by’ in recorded history."
http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/news/6...ory-pass-earth

On this date, the asteroid will travel rapidly from the southern evening sky into the northern morning sky with its closest Earth approach occurring about 19:26 UTC when it will achieve a magnitude of less than seven..
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news174.html

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Old 07-01-2013, 10:14 AM
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That will have a few credulous souls digging their Mayan Calendars out of the wheelie bin and rechecking the dates!!

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Old 07-01-2013, 10:39 AM
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You can calculate the local RA and Dec for DA14 here
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi#top

For Casino NSW the position and mag at one hour intervals are:
Date (UT) RA dec mag
2013-Feb-15 17:00 (4am DST) RA 10 25 52.64 dec -76 18 59.7 mag 10.67 in Cha
2013-Feb-15 18:00 (5am DST) RA 10 54 01.76 dec -59 12 07.1 mag 9.27 (near eta Car start of astro twilight Feb 16)
2013-Feb-15 19:00 (6am DST) RA 11 09 06.30 dec -22 15 33.6 mag 7.56 in Crt

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Old 07-01-2013, 11:15 AM
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Thanks for the information and links, Glen. Very interesting stuff!

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That will have a few credulous souls digging their Mayan Calendars out of the wheelie bin and rechecking the dates!!

Peter
Hmm .. I guess they need to explain why we are still here Peter, and not reduced to star stuff .
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:15 PM
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Who's going to try to image it??
I think a time lapse could be in order.
Thanks for the head up, or should that be heads ducking. lol
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Old 07-01-2013, 04:07 PM
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Perth will see more, here are the numbers:

Date/time (UT), RA dec m=mag const
2013-Feb-15 13:00, 00 52 10.45 -85 18 20.7 m13.35 Oct (moon is up)
2013-Feb-15 14:00, 01 28 17.38 -87 14 52.6 m12.92 Oct
2013-Feb-15 15:00, 07 11 46.76 -88 46 06.7 m12.38 Oct
2013-Feb-15 16:00, 10 50 17.81 -84 46 58.1 m11.67 Oct
2013-Feb-15 17:00, 11 18 14.33 -76 46 03.3 m10.71 Cha
2013-Feb-15 18:00, 11 27 38.95 -60 21 15.1 m9.31 Cen
2013-Feb-15 19:00, 11 32 31.33 -23 06 30.0 m7.53 Crt
2013-Feb-15 20:00, 11 35 33.58 +26 59 16.3 m7.40 Leo
2013-Feb-15 21:00, 11 37 57.96 +53 43 03.9 m8.84 UMa (nautical twilight)

It goes from dec -88.8 to dec +53.7 in just 6 hours!

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Old 07-01-2013, 05:25 PM
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What are the odds it takes out a satellite or two?
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:55 PM
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What are the odds it takes out a satellite or two?
... and if it does, will that be enough to perturb it's trajectory and make things more interesting? Probably nothing more than like swatting flies - it won't feel a thing!
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:29 PM
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On the 15th at 23:00 AEST, 13:00 UT it will be only 4.5 degs from Sigma Octans, and the moon sets at 21:28 Brisbane time, so no moon to make things difficult
If you can spot it,you should be able to track it for the rest of the night, as it is moving fast against the background stars.
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151.205000,-33.861527,0.0751113 {E-lon(deg),Lat(deg),Alt(km)}

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Date__(UT)__HR:MN     R.A._(ICRF/J2000.0)_DEC Azi_(a-appr)_Elev  APmag   Illu% Cnst
************************************************************************************

 2013-Feb-15 12:00     00 44 29.88 -82 50 26.5 188.1776  31.6310  13.76  34.736  Oct
 2013-Feb-15 13:00     01 03 07.96 -84 11 55.0 186.1517  31.1171  13.39  35.844  Oct
 2013-Feb-15 14:00     01 55 36.92 -85 57 12.2 184.2508  31.8335  12.94  37.470  Oct
 2013-Feb-15 15:00     05 16 22.91 -87 21 50.2 183.1775  34.0851  12.38  39.958  Oct
 2013-Feb-15 16:00     09 21 22.25 -84 20 13.3 184.2858  38.2683  11.65  43.998  Oct
 2013-Feb-15 17:00     10 30 01.66 -76 02 30.0 191.0498  44.8470  10.65  51.162  Cha
 2013-Feb-15 18:00     10 56 35.42 -58 44 08.2 215.2169  52.3851   9.25  65.249  Car
Times are UTC. Sydney is UTC + 11 hours.
So, for example, 2013-Feb-15 12:00 UTC corresponds to 2013-Feb-15 23:00 AEDT,
that is 11pm in Sydney on the night of the 15th of Feb.

R.A._(ICRF/J2000.0)_DEC =
J2000.0 astrometric right ascension and declination of target center.

Azi_(a-appr)_Elev =
Airless apparent azimuth and elevation of target center. Corrected for
light-time, the gravitational deflection of light, stellar aberration,
precession and nutation. Azimuth measured North(0) -> East(90) -> South(180) ->
West(270) -> North (360). Elevation is with respect to plane perpendicular
to local zenith direction. TOPOCENTRIC ONLY. Units: DEGREES

APmag =
Asteroid's approximate apparent visual magnitude by following definition:
APmag = H + 5*log10(delta) + 5*log10(r) - 2.5*log10((1-G)*phi1 + G*phi2).
In principle, accurate to ~ +/- 0.1 magnitude. For solar phase angles > 90 deg,
the error could exceed 1 magnitude. No values are output for phase angles
greater than 120 degrees, since the extrapolation error could be large and
unknown. Units: NONE

Illu% =
Fraction of target circular disk illuminated by Sun (phase), as seen by
observer. Units: PERCENT

Cnst =
Constellation ID; the 3-letter abbreviation for the name of the
constellation containing the target center's astrometric position,
as defined by IAU (1930) boundary delineation.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:28 PM
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It is important for observers to note that since this object is passing so close to
Earth, the effects of parallax become significant, so you should compute an
ephemeris based on your observing city or town.
http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi#top

For example, at 17:00 UTC, there is a 22 arc minute (over one third of a degree)
difference in apparent RA/Dec from Glen's location in Casino, NSW compared to
an observer in Sydney, even though the distance between Casino and Sydney is
only 588km.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:50 PM
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Yup, this will be a great on to watch and is travelling at 2283.35" per min (if my calculations are close to correct, that's about 2/3rd of a degree every 60 seconds.

From a dark sky site it will be possible to watch this with binos! Incredible.

I've recorded a few of these objects but none near as this. As has been said already, parallax is critical so plot out the path locally, find out when it passes an obvious star, then wait in ambush for it to enter the field of view...
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Could anyone convert this Ephemeris into the language that "The Sky 6"
Can understand please.
I have tried all sorts of combinations to no avail

JPL/HORIZONS (2012 DA14) 2013-Jan-07 02:05:03 Rec #:732120 (+COV) Soln.date: 2012-May-13_02:50:12 # obs: 188 (79 days) FK5/J2000.0 helio. ecliptic osc. elements (AU, DAYS, DEG, period=Julian yrs): EPOCH= 2456007.5 ! 2012-Mar-21.00 (CT) Residual RMS= .28422 EC= .1082356434519823 QR= .8933003245207058 TP= 2455895.355491354 OM= 147.2896474597286 W= 271.0806938513611 IN= 10.33969989795044 A= 1.001722392200821 MA= 110.2455360245707 ADIST= 1.110144459880936 PER= 1.0026 N= .9830667360000001 ANGMOM= .017115762 DAN= .98797 DDN= .9920099999999999 L= 58.3881762 B= -10.3378405 TP= 2011-Nov-29.8554914 Physical parameters (KM, SEC, rotational period in hours): GM= n.a. RAD= n.a. ROTPER= n.a. H= 24.377 G= .150 B-V= n.a. ALBEDO= n.a. STYP= n.a. ASTEROID comments: 1: soln ref.= JPL#35, OCC=4

Your help would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 08-01-2013, 12:37 AM
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Could anyone convert this Ephemeris into the language that "The Sky 6"
Can understand please.
I have tried all sorts of combinations to no avail


Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Good Morning Ron,

2012 DA14 |2012 09 30.000|0.108123 |1.001831| 10.3355|147.2622 |271.0757 | 2000|300.0043 |24.4 | 0.15| 0.00

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Could anyone convert this Ephemeris into the language that "The Sky 6"
Can understand please.
I have tried all sorts of combinations to no avail

JPL/HORIZONS (2012 DA14) 2013-Jan-07 02:05:03 Rec #:732120 (+COV) Soln.date: 2012-May-13_02:50:12 # obs: 188 (79 days) FK5/J2000.0 helio. ecliptic osc. elements (AU, DAYS, DEG, period=Julian yrs): EPOCH= 2456007.5 ! 2012-Mar-21.00 (CT) Residual RMS= .28422 EC= .1082356434519823 QR= .8933003245207058 TP= 2455895.355491354 OM= 147.2896474597286 W= 271.0806938513611 IN= 10.33969989795044 A= 1.001722392200821 MA= 110.2455360245707 ADIST= 1.110144459880936 PER= 1.0026 N= .9830667360000001 ANGMOM= .017115762 DAN= .98797 DDN= .9920099999999999 L= 58.3881762 B= -10.3378405 TP= 2011-Nov-29.8554914 Physical parameters (KM, SEC, rotational period in hours): GM= n.a. RAD= n.a. ROTPER= n.a. H= 24.377 G= .150 B-V= n.a. ALBEDO= n.a. STYP= n.a. ASTEROID comments: 1: soln ref.= JPL#35, OCC=4

Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Gary's way works too.

Ron, which parameters did you feed Horizons? If I use:

Code:
Current Settings
Ephemeris Type [change] :  ELEMENTS
Target Body [change] :  Asteroid        (2012 DA14)
Center [change] :  Sun (body center) [500@10]
Time Span [change] :  discrete time(s)=2013-02-15 18:00
Table Settings [change] :  defaults
Display/Output [change] :  plain text
I get something like what you pasted. The easiest part to use is the bit below. The "Symbol meaning" bit identifies what value goes in each box. You can paste them as they appear here and TheSky can handle the scientific notation. The only tricks are:
  • TheSky6 calls "Argument of Perifocus" in the Minor Planets "Add" panel "Argument of Perihelion".
  • The day in "Element epoch" is the day as decoded from MJD with the decimal part added - so in this case 15.25.
and I don't seem to be able to stop the editor wrapping this block without butchering it. It sort of looks like this:
Code:
$$SOE 
2456339.250000000 = A.D. 2013-Feb-15 18:00:00.0000 (CT) 
 EC= 1.119223267411774E-01 QR= 8.793252519475666E-01 IN= 1.277276690753689E+01 
 OM= 1.471236673414090E+02 W = 2.645957382478340E+02 Tp=  2456256.793500953820 
 N = 1.000359691344981E+00 MA= 8.248615793535961E+01 TA= 9.532953427349806E+01 
 A = 9.901445317512164E-01 AD= 1.100963811554866E+00 PR= 3.598705576750907E+02 
$$EOE 
Coordinate system description:    Ecliptic and Mean Equinox of Reference Epoch      Reference epoch: J2000.0 
    xy-plane: plane of the Earth's orbit at the reference epoch 
    x-axis  : out along ascending node of instantaneous plane of the Earth's 
              orbit and the Earth's mean equator at the reference epoch 
    z-axis  : perpendicular to the xy-plane in the directional (+ or -) sense 
              of Earth's north pole at the reference epoch.

Symbol meaning [1 AU=149597870.691 km, 1 day=86400.0 s]: 
    JDCT     Epoch Julian Date, Coordinate Time 
      EC     Eccentricity, e                                                    
      QR     Periapsis distance, q (AU)                                         
      IN     Inclination w.r.t xy-plane, i (degrees)                            
      OM     Longitude of Ascending Node, OMEGA, (degrees)                      
      W      Argument of Perifocus, w (degrees)                                 
      Tp     Time of periapsis (Julian day number)                              
      N      Mean motion, n (degrees/day)                                       
      MA     Mean anomaly, M (degrees)                                          
      TA     True anomaly, nu (degrees)                                         
      A      Semi-major axis, a (AU)                                            
      AD     Apoapsis distance (AU)                                             
      PR     Sidereal orbit period (day)
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But sky 6 or any other planetarium program won't account for the parallax and therefore will most likely be displayed incorrectly.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi...tr=2012%20DA14

Follow this link, change your location and select a timespan for the observation - you will get a very accurate set of coordinates to plot manually (or just follow in may case)
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Good Morning Ron,

2012 DA14 |2012 09 30.000|0.108123 |1.001831| 10.3355|147.2622 |271.0757 | 2000|300.0043 |24.4 | 0.15| 0.00

Best Regards

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Thanks Gary, I had that, but the sky would not except it, so I tried importing it from the web,and it excepted it.
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too confusing for me....I'll try the coordinate thing and even though I can't really find the SCP, I can get pretty close.......
I'm on the sapphire coast near Merimbula.....2548.......
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But sky 6 or any other planetarium program won't account for the parallax and therefore will most likely be displayed incorrectly.

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi...tr=2012%20DA14

Follow this link, change your location and select a timespan for the observation - you will get a very accurate set of coordinates to plot manually (or just follow in may case)
All the user info is stored in cookies, so your link won't help others. Set it to something like:

Code:
Current Settings
Ephemeris Type [change] :  OBSERVER
Target Body [change] :  Asteroid        (2012 DA14)
Observer Location [change] :  user defined ( your location goes here )
Time Span [change] :  Start=2013-02-15 18:00, Stop=2013-02-15 21:00, Step=5 m
Table Settings [change] :  QUANTITIES=1,4,9,20,23,24,29,34
Display/Output [change] :  plain text
and don't forget to put 399 in the bottom box to signify it is on earth.
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What about Melbourne? I don't fully understand all these numbers the generator is pumping out.

Does anyone know a good website that has detailed descriptions of what each column means and how to use it. I would like to learn how to read these complex tables.
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