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Old 06-08-2010, 11:37 PM
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August Obs. Challenge.

Hi all,

This month's offerings are a mixed bag of gems. Something for everyone whether you've got a scope or not.


Naked eye:

Scorpio Constellation: rather obvious for most, but if you haven't seen it before you won't forget it. At this time of the year it is directly overhead in the early evening. Its most distinctive star is its brilliant red heart, Antares.

Sagittarius Star Cloud, in Sagittarius. It is the densest star cloud of the entire Milky Way. You could be able to see this feature of the Milky Way from light polluted areas if you are able to shield out surrounding street lights. It lies in the direction of the centre of our Milky Way galaxy, it is actually located in the nearby spiral arm between us and the galactic nucleus. The Milky Way's centre lies some 30,000 light years in that direction. The star cloud is located just of the 'sting' of Scorpio, and right next to the M8/M20 complex. The big open star cluster M7 lies between this star cloud and Scorpio's sting.

Four planets in the Western sky. At the moment there is a conjunction of four planets occuring in the western sky during the early evening- Venus, Mars, Saturn & Mercury. Venus is unmistakeable just after sunset, the brightest 'star' in the sky. Just above it are two smaller 'stars'. The one on top of the trio is red in colour- Mars. The other 'star' then being Saturn. Mercury is difficult to spot as it is never more than 45 minutes above the horizon after sunset.

Telescopically Mars is not much of a show. It is receeding behind the sun as Earth has overtaken it in its orbit. Also being small in size, you'd be lucky to make out any type of planetary disk. Saturn, while too receeding, because it is much larger physically, its rings and disk are still resolveable. You may even see the shadow of the rings cast onto the planet. Harder to spot is the shadow of the planet's disk cast onto the rings behind it. Details within the rings is impossible as they are still too shallow in angle. They are slowly widening after last year being edge-on and invisible to us. They will continue to widen for the next 6 years before starting to close again. Mercury rarely has much to offer telescopically.

Easier targets:

M22, in Sagittarius. This globular cluster is one of the gems of the sky. It starts to resolve in smaller scopes. Interstellar dust occults its lluminosity by some 2 magnitudes!

NGC 6752, in Pavo. Another big globular gem that begins to resolve in 3" scopes.

More Challenging:

NGC 6744, in Pavo. A large face on barred type galaxy. Though large it has a low surface brightness. HII regions (nebulous star forming areas) & OB star associations (son-of-a-gun big stars) in its arms begin to become defined in scopes from 10" up. Its low surface brightness can make it tricky to find in a scope, yet binocuars will show it a little more easily from a dark site.

NGC 6876 et al, in Pavo. This galactic grouping contains something like nine galaxies, about upto six accessible to amateur scopes visually. NGC 6872 is a barred galaxy with its arms maybe just visible in larger scopes. The following link is to an amateur photo of the complex, with the lower image containing identifying graphics:

http://www.capella-observatory.com/I...GC6872EtAl.htm

NGC 2573, in Octans. A revisit from an earlier challenge, but its unique position in the sky I think makes it worth while for its nomination. This faint galaxy is very, very near to the South Celestial Pole, meaning it is visible year round from southern latitudes. I wasn't able to nail it in its last Challenge appearance, & I'm making it a priority for my observation program for this month. A really difficult bugger too.

Double stars, in Triangulum Australe. Rex has provided a list of doubles in the constellation Triangulum Australe in a zipfile link:

http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/i...attach/zip.gifTriangulum Australe Dble Stars.zip
http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/a...8&d=1280494551

Rex, not everyone can access this file, any chance of a non-zipfile form?

Planetary nebulae- IC 5148 in Grus, NGC 7009 (Saturn Nebula) in Aquarius, & NGC 7293 (Helix nebula) also in Aquarius. The first two relatively easy to spot. The Helix much more challenging as it has a very low surface brightness, despite its large size.

Speciallised target: Helios, the sun! WARNING- NEVER look directly at the Sun through a telescope, binoculars or finder scope. Helios is a very special object. For once, the smaller the telescope, the better! That is because the Sun is bright enough for a small scope, and it limits the amount of heat collected by the instrument.

If you donot have a full apeture solar filter (if you don't know what this is, then you don't have one!), only 'projection' viewing is the safe option. If your scope is larger than 60mm in diameter, get a thick cardboard to totally cover your scope and cut out a hole no larger than 60mm in diameter, and place it over the apeture of the scope. Insert your longest focal length eyepiece here. Use a sheet of white paper, or card, to project the image of the sun onto this sheet. You will need to do your best by guaging the shadow of the sun along the length of your telescope. This projection method will suffice to see any Sunspots that may be on the sun's surface. Always keep both ends of your finderscope covered to avoid accidental glimpses into it.

Please add to the list of targets if you like, or ask about finding something inparticular.

Mental.
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Old 07-08-2010, 08:50 AM
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View all SEVEN planets in one night!

The early evening sees the first four listed below. Later in the evening, around midnight, Jupiter, Uranus and Neptune are visible too.

The following link is to a Sky and Telescope map showing the position of these three for this year:

http://media.skyandtelescope.com/doc...ptune_2010.pdf

You will need at least a pair of 50mm binoculars to see Uranus and Neptune, but definetly possible- I did it last year with binos from my home in Sydney.

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Old 10-08-2010, 01:06 PM
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Seeing as they're in the list, thought I'd try to see the conjuncting (?? ) planets in daylight, just before the sun set. Used 4.5" f8 reflector & 21mm ep (47x). Venus was easy to find naked-eye. Through the scope it was brilliant, a nice, miniature 'half-moon' (approx quarter phase), shimmering a little in the seeing but some nice stable glimpses. Using Venus as a guide, scanned up towards Mars (no GO-TO) & panned around till I found it. Tiny bright ball with a pale orange cast. Then went for Saturn - found it easily, just a pale ghost, but nonetheless the 'skewered-disk' was easy to make out. Not as bright as I thought it would be.

Didn't go for Mercury (too much sky to pan, brighter sky, sun still there!).

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Old 10-08-2010, 02:00 PM
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Another good list Alexander - thanks for putting it together!
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Old 11-08-2010, 06:18 PM
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Hi Alexander, great list mate, thanks for all your work.

Sorry about the zip Alexander, not sure why some people can't open it. I can attach the pdf's in seperate posts but that might be a little combersome for people to download.

I will attach them anyway. Once again, sorry for the hassle folks. First 7 attached, remainder will follow in next post.
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Remainder attached. Thanks. There is a range of close pairs and wide pairs, Enjoy.
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Thanks Rex, I apprieciate the uploads you've done. I've gone over each one- more goodies to chase down, !

I realised that I don't have zipfile opener on all the 'puters I have access to. This is why I wasn't able to open your original file. These pdf files are no problem.

I had a nice, but all too short session at a dark sky last Saturday. So promising early evening, and two hours useful time after sunset, and then low cloud rolls in, . Such a shame as the time we did have gave us a spectacular sky at Katoomba Airfield.

Still, I managed one sketch of the Antennae galaxy. Though strictly form last month's challenge, unless I pinned it now, it would have been my last chance until next year. I'm still to transfer the sketch to black paper. I'll post a pic of it when it's done. Soon. .

As for other targets, NGC 6752- WOW, what a globular!!! Not as 'tidy' as Omega Centuri or 47 Tuc, but man it packs a punch! My first glipse of it through my 17.5" scope at 67X pulled a "F__K!" out of me, and giggles from those around me. A huge ball of stars, only slowly fading out in desity, certainly not in the intensity of the stars, towards its edge.

NGC 2573 galaxy in Octans. One really difficult bugger to make out from the surrounding roar of foreground stars. A faint streak of lenticular shape, with a definate central hub.

NGC 6744 galaxy. Faint, yes, but really nice in its subtlety of detail. Quite round in shape, with a central hub, and I thought I saw a ring surrounding its nucleus, with a faint bar crossing the hub to the ring. Very striking. I wanted to sketch this one next, but the clouds beat me to it.

I'll try for a few more this weekend from home.
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A Sketch!!

Hi all,

I've finally got my sketch finished of NGC 4038/9, the Antennae Galaxy, or the Pacman Galaxy.

Details:

scope- 17.5" f/4 truss reflector
eyepiece- GSO Superview 15mm, 133X
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seeing- good
transparency- 8/10

Two lovely interacting galaxies. The two lobes form a striking shape, some-what like like a doughnut with a bite taken out. With averted vision I could just make out a sprinkling of tiny stars within the two lobes, more-so on the left one in the sketch. Direct viewing didn't reveal them.

No chance of seeing the streaming extentions reaching out.
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Great sketch Alex. Looks like you captured a fair bit of detail in the Ballsack. Also like your description of NGC 6744. From my place it has got to be the most underwhelming galaxy I've ever seen! Just a very low surface brightness cottonball. Certainly a dark sky-only object, and I'm sure it would be a lovely sight from a dark site.

NGC 6752 has got to be near the top of the list of globulars with the brightest stars! IN terms of size and overall brightness, it ranks 3rd behind Omega and 47Tuc.
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Very nice sketch indeed Alex. I am always impressed by the little sparky bits that can be seen with a big scope and dark skies - I assume that they are the patches of star birth that you see in photos of this pair. You've portrayed them nicely in this one.
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