Donald Trump

[Orionskies (Julian)]

Originally Posted by mswhin63

Most threads in the past would have been closed a lot earlier. Is Donald Trump really that interesting.

What effect will it have on the science community. So far he is bogged up on twitter, but it is no secret that he would shut down loads of science that HE doesn't like.

At the end of it all, happy it is not Australia. And if it ends up being a regret like "Julia Gillard or Kevin Rudd changeover (not so much the elected people just the fiasco) then then US made a mistake and make sure he doesn't get elected next time.

Either that he get impeached. Bill Clinton did less to get impeached.

I think what makes Trump interesting is that he's not the status quo. If America sneezes the world catches a cold. He is in charge of the worlds only super power. And he may or may not be just nuts.

He certainly doesn't like climate science here's an old article about what scientists fear. http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-1...-fears/8119234 .

Cheers Julian

[Wavytone]

Only interesting thing now is how long it takes for Trump to be impeached.

[alocky (Andrew lockwood)]

There's no shortage of idiots. At risk of spawning a tangential discussion I recall when one of these 'bfr's turned up at a metallic silhouette shoot I was competing in. With a 45-70 round in it, it made my .44 Rem look quite puny.
However after 25 misses he finally connected with one of the targets and dented it, so was told to change his gun. He complained bitterly, but then knocked over almost all of the remaining targets with a 'little' .357. I'd rather be terrified and standing next to a crater than have a small hole in me....
Cheers
Andrew😄

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Just an aside thinking about guns last night I fantasized about a suitable hand gun to have when the zombies walk the streets..
50 cal. and not a hand gun round one of the long ones they use in a rifle.
So I drew some drawings thinking a 12 gauge auto hand gun would be good, solid rounds or buck shot...
Anyways I look on the net and would you believe there are hand guns out there that take the rifle type round...
And I thought my idea was crazy..it was crazy wasn't it?
There are some funny things going on and ... well.
Alex

[Sol-Skysailor (Sol)]

A lot of Trumps support comes from a middle finger backlash
to all too quick to condemn political correctness.

I don't want to stop the wildfire I want to blow the whole system up
and start again. .....

Thanks, Barry, for that explanation. It made me reflect and adjust, some.
Maybe some expressions like mine sound like preaching, to some? So punks rule, like?
(I did not mean that badly, I was interested and had no issues.)
For my part, I asked questions and the poster clarified his part; all good.
My questions still stand, how we pre-judge and use language to characterise.

I think ‘start over’ ought to depend on how we/many are affected.
A house may need improvements; do we torch it up with others needing to live in it?

Wild-fire destroy and start over governed by middle-fingerers?

Start over I'd say would best be in how we are educated (I really think we’ve gone so far wrong there.....?)
and from the basis of reviewed values.

[Sol-Skysailor (Sol)]

The thread
is not about a celebrity being interesting, I’d say
it’s more about a fire-bug fire that is fast spreading as wildfire.
While it spreads why would we turn a blind eye...

(And many posters including Craig the OP have interesting ways of
saying things (like 'PC') that make good sense.)

[xelasnave]

Is the media balanced.
Trump did not take a salary and recieved no praise.
He spends a little money on a golf trip and they are on to him.
And why dont they report upon all the good things he has done?
Alex

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

.....And why dont they report upon all the good things he has done?
Alex

Please start a list. I'm curious.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

Please start a list. I'm curious.

We dont know because the media isnt reporting any.
Alex

[bojan]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

We dont know because the media isnt reporting any.
Alex

Maybe there aren't any.... or this is fake (no) news...

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by bojan

Maybe there aren't any.... or this is fake (no) news...

Thinking a little more seriously one would think the election may cause a review and change in the system.

I wanted to see his speech but fell asleep at the start and did not wake up until half way thru question time which followed.

Alex

[Astrophe (John)]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

Please start a list. I'm curious.

Well, he did bury the TPP. That agreement was not in Australia's interest and a good thing it's gone.

[Shiraz (Ray)]

just occurred that the most disturbing thing is not that these guys seem to have only a fleeting interest in inconveniences (facts/truth/ethics etc.) - what is really disturbing is that I am being forced to see what the world looks like through the eyes of the extreme right wing of American politics. Used to be able to ignore it and hope it would go away, but there it is in our faces every day - in all its twisted dishonesty, illogicality and bigotry.

[sjastro]

Originally Posted by Shiraz

just occurred that the most disturbing thing is not that these guys seem to have only a fleeting interest in inconveniences (facts/truth/ethics etc.) - what is really disturbing is that I am being forced to see what the world looks like through the eyes of the extreme right wing of American politics. Used to be able to ignore it and hope it would go away, but there it is in our faces every day - in all its twisted dishonesty, illogicality and bigotry.

Agree Ray.

I noticed the Mencken quote in your signature which is highly prophetic.

A modern day quote and more direct one is:
Trump sandwich – white bread, full of baloney, Russian dressing, small pickle. Anonymous

Steven

[Sol-Skysailor (Sol)]

Originally Posted by Shiraz

...... Used to be able to ignore it and hope it would go away,
but there it is in our faces every day - in all its twisted dishonesty,
illogicality and bigotry.

I used to overlook and brush aside. Now I voice questions.

A little taste that shocked?

[Quote]
“I have never in my life been spoken to with such insolence,
treated with such disdain, with so many insults
and with so much gratuitous impoliteness,”

“I felt like I had been physically assaulted….

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ed-like-a-baby
[Unquote]

If the person were one that looked like ‘the’----
or simply looked 'different'
or not as 'famous'
would the incident make this news at all or a different kind?
would we not notice or even agree with the treatment?
or even ask for harsher?

One may feel empathy and injustice for this case, right?
Do we feel similar empathy for others
that regularly cop disdain, insults, insolence
-in words and treatments socially and in jobs and housing
(check this T/F, ‘felt like I had been’ is routine and includes ‘was also’ for many)
on account of appearing different.

Just a reflection, questions, what are fairer kinder ways?

[astroron (Ron)]

Originally Posted by Astrophe

Well, he did bury the TPP. That agreement was not in Australia's interest and a good thing it's gone.

Has it gone for Australia?
I thought the Turdbull government was still pursuing it.
Cheers

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by sjastro

Trump sandwich – white bread, full of baloney, Russian dressing, small pickle. Anonymous

Steven,

With all due respect, I believe that the issue(s) with Russia reported in the western media are mostly what you might term 'Theatre' -
pablum for the prol's, if you will.

I don't have to be a fan of Putin to acknowledge that he has been greatly misrepresented in the public domain.

best
~c

<edit>
It occurs to me to qualify the above statement with respect to Russia.
There are things afoot (geopolitically) of a seismic magnitude...
But you ain't going to hear about the real issues on Fox, CNN, Reuters, et al.

[csb (Craig)]

Donald Trump accuses Barack Obama of 'wire-tapping' office during election.

Does he have any credibility to be making these type of statements without producing any evidence? I certainly doubt Trump's accusation is true.

I think many people would feel the claim is false but there is a need for an investigation into the accusation due to who is making this accusation, who the accused person is & the seriousness of what is being claimed.

I would be very surprised if Obama was involved in this type of thing but it is possible someone in his administration had wiretaps done without Obama's authorisation.

What happens if there is nothing found for even suspecting that there may have been wiretapping directed at Trump? Then NOTHING that Trump says can be taken at face value!

Trump's tweets included:

~How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process.~

Trump never seemed to treat the election process as being sacred. Many statements by him accusing a rigged system and media influence.

Another Trump tweet:

~Who was it that secretly said to Russian President, "Tell Vladimir that after the election I'll have more flexibility?"~

Obviously, readers are supposed to think this was said by Obama. So how does Trump know of this being said? Knowing verbatim what Obama has said is reason to suspect wiretapping (I realise it's not the only way to know what was said).

If nothing is found to show any wiretapping then Trump completely loses any credibility. How can the USA have a president with zero credibility?

[julianh72 (Julian)]

Originally Posted by csb

If nothing is found to show any wiretapping then Trump completely loses any credibility. How can the USA have a president with zero credibility?

Keep watching - he's already got zero credibility with millions of people around the world!

[Sol-Skysailor (Sol)]

A case study for any community: Is this ‘freedom’?..... to baselessly, and publicly, accuse someone -anyone.

What other consequences. What resources locally and worldwide go into this?... to be recouped by the need to make more money ‘economy’ by taking it from others, other nations.
(At a micro scale, are we riled up from work and become concerned.)
Another consequence, do this leader’s followers or opportunists follow the way? Freedom to be irresponsible?

This would be ‘freedom to destroy’ if one does not have enough money/means to defend. Even so, planted and circumstantial evidences happen. And the ‘accused of’ taint remains.

. . . Trump’s charge, if proved false, is proof he “doesn’t know how to conduct himself.” And if it’s true, “it’s even worse,” because it means federal authorities saw a legal basis to authorize a wiretap, which requires a judge’s signoff.
“Either way … the president is in trouble,” . . .

. . . a classic diversion tactic.
“This is called a wrap-up smear. You make up something, then you have the press write about it, then you say everybody is writing about this charge. It’s the tool of an authoritarian, to just have you always be talking about what you want them to be talking about it.”
. . .
"For a president of the United States to make such an incendiary charge — and one that discredits our democracy in the eyes of the world — is as destructive as it was baseless."

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...a-probe-235695

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Meanwhile ..... last night in Sweden.