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Old 13-10-2014, 02:46 PM
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Helix faint features: One photon per pixel every four hours

Trying to get the absolutely faintest outer shock fronts in the Helix, we stacked 16 hours in one-hour 2x2 binned subs, taken over this last new moon.

The faint thin shock fronts coming to a point at the extreme left of the photo were about 6 counts above background in the stacked image. That's about 9 photo-electrons. At 50% photon efficiency, that means that about 18 photons hit each relevant 2x2 binned pixel over 16 hours. That's about one photon per unbinned pixel (0.55 sec arc) every four hours! The brightest nebular features of the "eye" are about 360 times brighter.

We've previously tried this using 30 hours of unbinned subs, or 10 hours of 30 minute 2x2 binned subs, and gotten nowhere near the same result. Nothing to show.

The image is 30% full size, but these features are so faint that looking at them full size doesn't tell you much more. Wavelet noise reduction, but no deconvolution.

Aspen CG16M, PlaneWave 20" CDK. Field 36'arc, north up.

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Old 13-10-2014, 02:50 PM
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Wow, that is incredible. Love the bow shock looking features in the faintest parts of the image.
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Old 13-10-2014, 02:59 PM
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Thanks, Jason!
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Old 13-10-2014, 03:02 PM
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That's great to see, well done!

Is this Ha or L?
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Old 13-10-2014, 03:02 PM
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Very impressive result

...only goes to prove aperture rules
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Old 13-10-2014, 03:04 PM
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You've pulled out a lot of faint detail that I didn't get in 20+ hours of Ha (30 minute unbinned) with a mere 12" scope. Nicely done!
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Old 13-10-2014, 03:17 PM
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That's great to see, well done! Is this Ha or L?
Thanks, Hugh. H-alpha via 3nM Astrodon filter.
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Old 13-10-2014, 03:18 PM
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That is amazing....
Hubble would most certainly show respect......

What focal length/f-ration did you take that at ??
all native to the scope?

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Old 13-10-2014, 03:21 PM
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That's insanely deep.
Never seen those v-shaped fronts at 10 o'clock. Looks like wake patterns.
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Old 13-10-2014, 03:25 PM
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Thanks so much Peter. I think we're starting to see that the strength of the 20" under fairly ordinary Central Western NSW seeing (altitude 666m) mostly round 2 to 2.5 sec arc is faint stuff, not sharp stuff, and that binning and long subs are our friends.
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Old 13-10-2014, 03:29 PM
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Excellent! I'm trying to get a good amount of data on this myself. Those outer shells ARE very faint!
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Old 13-10-2014, 03:33 PM
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Unbelievable.

Are you going to add colour? Might have to wait several years.

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Old 13-10-2014, 03:39 PM
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Thanks muchly, Rick, Marc, Raymond !!

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What focal length/f-ration did you take that at ?
Thanks John. Native focal length, 3454 mm, giving F/6.8.
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Old 13-10-2014, 03:50 PM
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Excellent! Just needs a bit of HDR tweaking to bring out the core and it would look incredibly awesome.
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Old 13-10-2014, 03:55 PM
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Are you going to add colour? Might have to wait several years.
Cheers! We have 9x30 2x2 + 8x30 unbinned OIII, but I think we'll just have to start again with longer deeper subs. Sadly, the guide camera A/D offset is playing up and summer is a-coming in.
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Old 13-10-2014, 04:24 PM
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Deepest Helix I've seen! Excellent Mike!
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Old 13-10-2014, 04:49 PM
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wow- that is great - so much going on in the faint stuff!
would be interested to see the difference you had with the 10 hrs of 30 min 2x2 for comparison.

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Old 13-10-2014, 04:49 PM
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Insane depth and detail, even more insane FL! Well done
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Old 13-10-2014, 05:29 PM
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Impressive work, very rarely do you see this feature, except in large professional images
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Now there's something to aspire to. Incredible image.
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