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Old 14-05-2018, 10:24 PM
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That Dress !

I know this is old now, but never saw it first time round , my wife showed me this white and gold dress today and she swears its black and blue i just dont see those colors at all.
I did ok in the hue test a few posts below below , so obviously her brain is damaged somehow, it is white and gold isn't it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress

What do you see ?
Relating this back to astronomy a little Do our eyes no matter what lens (scope) we place in front of them have there own wiring diagram to deal with or not whats in front of them ?




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Old 14-05-2018, 10:52 PM
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Yeh, I remember this from a few years back (I see white & gold).
The eyes are just the sensor & we all have just the same model, but our brain is the CPU - all wired differently & we all run slightly different software.
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Old 14-05-2018, 11:00 PM
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3 out of 4 in our household see white and gold, the other sees blue and black.
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Old 14-05-2018, 11:01 PM
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It's just the emporers new clothes all over again, if you believe it enough you'll see it. Remember the dress and the fuss and to me it is white and gold, can't convince me otherwise.
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Old 14-05-2018, 11:12 PM
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I see it as white and gold, but wiki article says it is in fact blue and black. So it must be the colour of the light projected onto it, that changes our perception.
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Old 14-05-2018, 11:33 PM
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Interesting that you can't find anyone who can see both (switching between). Seems we are more hard-wired in this case.
Most can 'see' both points of view with the Necker Cube...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necker_cube
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Old 15-05-2018, 12:40 AM
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I also scored 0, and I see the dress as blue and black.
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Old 15-05-2018, 07:38 AM
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It's just a bloody dress! Who cares?

Now if you could do the same trick with a mount or ota, then we might be interested.
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Old 15-05-2018, 09:04 AM
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Do our eyes no matter what lens (scope) we place in front of them have there own wiring diagram to deal with or not whats in front of them ?
Yep, but its the brain that makes stuff up, not the eyes.
I always liked how the effect of shadows tricks the mind into "interpreting" whats there, especially with colours shades and movement
No 2 from the following link is a classic use of "perceived" lighting
http://twistedsifter.com/2012/05/opt...-from-shadows/
( The "hovering" ones are quite good too )
I guess for some people, the same effects could give the colour change seen in the dress trick.
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Old 15-05-2018, 07:29 PM
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I see white and gold, I find it hard to believe otherwise .

First I heard of this, so interesting.
Regarding the Pascall study though.... I'm a night owl and I don't see it as blue and black.

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The first large-scale scientific study on the dress was published in Current Biology three months after the image went viral. The study, which involved 1,400 respondents, found that 57% saw the dress as blue and black; 30% saw it as white and gold; 10% saw it as blue and brown; and 10% could switch between any of the colour combinations.[39] A small number saw it as blue and gold. Women and older people disproportionately saw the dress as white and gold. The researchers further found that if the dress was shown in artificial yellow-coloured lighting almost all respondents saw the dress as black and blue, while they saw it as white and gold if the simulated lighting had a blue bias.[31][39][40][41] Another study in the Journal of Vision, by Pascal Wallisch, found that people who were early risers were more likely to think the dress was lit by natural light, perceiving it as white and gold, and that "night owls" saw the dress as blue and black.[42][43]

A study carried out by Schlaffke et al. reported that individuals who saw the dress as white and gold showed increased activity in the frontal and parietal regions of the brain. These areas are thought to be critical in higher cognition activities.[44][45]
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Old 15-05-2018, 08:27 PM
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A study carried out by Schlaffke et al. reported that individuals who saw the dress as white and gold showed increased activity in the frontal and parietal regions of the brain. These areas are thought to be critical in higher cognition activities.[44][45]

Thanks for quoting the above study Suzy,
I'm feeling pretty good about myself now!
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Old 15-05-2018, 08:32 PM
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I messed with the pic a bit (a lot actually )and showed it to my wife I see it as blue and black easily now and you ?
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Old 15-05-2018, 08:42 PM
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And when i put the original beside it she was stumped for a few seconds before saying they are similar but the (enhanced one ) is obviously a bit darker , to me they look like nothing like each other .
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Old 15-05-2018, 08:52 PM
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Indeed Grant I've been telling my family for days now , in summary , that they are in fact all stupid
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Old 16-05-2018, 11:02 AM
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@ Grant & Graham.
Yes I thought it was well worth quoting that section of the study. Came in handy to shut a few people up haha.

Graham, re the pic you just enhanced, yes, I easily see it as blue & black now too. So weird, nothing like the white and gold .

Geee, fancy dealing with that wardrobe stress one week before the wedding especially as it was the brides mother!
Unable to get good advice with what to accessorise with, that's for sure.
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Old 16-05-2018, 11:55 AM
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My wife and eldest daughter both see it as black and blue.

Myself and my youngest daughter both see it as gold and white.
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Old 16-05-2018, 12:28 PM
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I see black and blue
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Old 16-05-2018, 12:30 PM
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Just to add to the fun, was listening to the last hour of 3AW today and they were playing a man saying a word that got interpreted totally differently by different people.
Some hear "Laurel" but he is supposed to be really saying "Yanny"
Something to do with loss of high freq harmonics that allow the brain to interpet the sound properly???
Have to read up on that as well now :-)
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No wonder lawyers can have fun in courts convincing people they dont know what they saw/heard
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Old 16-05-2018, 01:25 PM
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If you hide one section from another ...well just look at the gold it seems to go black for me and for an instant I can see black and blue but it goes back to gold and white for me...then all you see is all the blood.
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Old 16-05-2018, 03:14 PM
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At the end of the day, does it really matter? One person's perception is different than someone elses...

If my eyes were sentivive to gamma rays, the universe would look different. Does that mean that it is different?

In some ways, maybe a score of 100 is more desirable...
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