The Pioneer Anomaly: Still a Mystery - Page 4

Mr. Pressure · #61 01-09-2010, 07:29 PM

Prediction

Space station, The Sun and the galactic center are in the same line.

Sun in the middle

Certain atoms halve faster than normal.

More massive particles than neutrinos and yet smaller particles (thickness increases) will come from galactic center.

When they move through Sun, (after that) they interact strongly with the nuclei of atoms and thus they can be detected divided faster than normal (half-life is shorter than normal).

http://www.physorg.com/news202456660.html

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CraigS · #62 01-09-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Pressure

Prediction

Space station, The Sun and the galactic center are in the same line.

Sun in the middle

Certain atoms halve faster than normal.

More massive particles than neutrinos and yet smaller particles (thickness increases) will come from galactic center.

When they move through Sun, (after that) they interact strongly with the nuclei of atoms and thus they can be detected divided faster than normal (half-life is shorter than normal).

http://www.physorg.com/news202456660.html

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"Power spectrum analyses of nuclear decay rates"
http://arxiv.org/abs/1007.0924

"We conclude that the annual periodicity in these data sets is a real effect, but that further study involving additional carefully controlled experiments will be needed to establish its origin."

Cheers

Mr. Pressure · #63 01-09-2010, 08:55 PM

During the solar eclipse, the pendulum will go mess

Check out my latest text here.

http://www.onesimpleprinciple.com/fo...wforum.php?f=2

Updated front page even better text which is not yet in English.

Google translator to translate, but not very well.

www.onesimpleprinciple.com

Later also front page with english

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xelasnave · #64 01-09-2010, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by renormalised

Can we put this topic to bed, now. It's been discussed almost till the cows come home!!!!

No way Carl

. We have not come up with the solution to the problem (anomaly).

I have offered my reason why they slow and although I am happy with my reasoning I feel other explanations could be explored and given the fact my ideas are not supported with a math extrapolation I feel there is room for a more fact based explanation

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So why do you think they slow given our math suggests otherwise

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or look at it this way..here we have something that tests our sums and shows them to be inadequate and demands someone step forward and lead the confused humans further down the path of understanding.... I feel if you applied yourself you could be the one

Here we have an opportunity for some real science as something is not right and that means someone gets to define a new law and call it after themselves

alex

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renormalised (Carl) · #65 02-09-2010, 10:17 AM

Alex, no one here is going to come up with the solution to the anomaly because no one here is 1. studying it full time, and, 2. has the requisite knowledge to be able to come up with a viable solution. All we can do is speculate till the cows come home and the arguments that will inevitably arise here are going to cause more problem than what the thread is worth. So, why not just let sleeping dogs lie.

xelasnave · #66 02-09-2010, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by renormalised

Alex, no one here is going to come up with the solution to the anomaly because no one here is 1. studying it full time, and, 2. has the requisite knowledge to be able to come up with a viable solution. All we can do is speculate till the cows come home and the arguments that will inevitably arise here are going to cause more problem than what the thread is worth. So, why not just let sleeping dogs lie.

So what you are saying is ..there is no money in it... anyways from all I gather there are many minds addressing the matter and in time any valid answer will take us further forward either either confirming or altering our current understandings.

alex

renormalised (Carl) · #67 02-09-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

So what you are saying is ..there is no money in it... anyways from all I gather there are many minds addressing the matter and in time any valid answer will take us further forward either either confirming or altering our current understandings.

alex

No exclusive research money as far as I know. Only as part of something else. There's not as many as you think working on it. When they work it out they'll let us know.

I also said we won't figure it out, so any debate we may have is only going to be academic.

Mr. Pressure · #68 02-09-2010, 11:43 PM

With google translation
That was interesting.
Ascending gas planets spots where the sun is a gaseous planet, and the area between the center of the galaxy?
Jupiter's Red Spot.
Other gas planets are detected spots at regular intervals.
As I recall, for example, Saturn often, perhaps every match Saturn's rotation period around the Sun?
The galaxy's center, a giant energy merger radiates a very massive and small, dense particles, which transfer the kinetic energy of atoms in their cores, and thus the stars, planets, moons, etc. projecting away from the whole period of explosive or expanding galaxy's center, a giant energiatihentymästä / energyconcentration the same proportion as the substance expands.

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Mr. Pressure · #69 03-09-2010, 03:52 AM

Sunspot every eleven / 11 years.

Galaxy centre huge energyconcentration exploding and emit energywaves who are here and next one after eleven years and next one after eleven years?

No, theres coming massive particle all a time and big waves every eleven years?

Hmm. maybe, something like that?

Mr. Pressure · #70 05-09-2010, 07:46 PM

Tell me how and why space expands.

Three-dimensional human being is not known. According to experts, can not understand the expansive space. It can only believe.

Three-dimensional human being capable of understanding the three-dimensionally expanding nucleus of atosm and particle like photons which comes from the outside all the time more energy when they expand outwards to an existing state / space.

Tell me how and why the arch space, why space curving?.

According to experts, the so-called man can not understand the arched space. It can only believe.

People can understand the photons which hit the even much smaller particle moving relation to the track to another page, when the photon energy to explode or become less dense on the side faster than another and thus the photon motion is changing and this man can understand.

All phenomena can be explained by one simple principle. Eternal energy, the formation of enegyconcentration density and volume ranges from the eternal state which does not change. Reservation also varies depending on how dense energyconcentration radiates energy and how this affects the energy shift energyconcentration going to be over with energy.

www.onesimpleprinciple.com front page, the text has been updated and the pressure of the Big Bang theory has grown up significantly again.

Later with english

All onesimpleprinciple model arguments can be examined scientifically. Even the idea of force. Force of mind.

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Mr. Pressure · #71 06-09-2010, 04:07 PM

Let´s think with a thought!

Let´s think about the giant energy concentarions of our galaxies centres(they are also called as huge black holes) and how they once flaped from one size larger energy concentarions that locate really far outside the visible universe!

This way they were already far away from each other and the space did not have to expand “inflantionally”.

With time the stars were born out of the energy waves that the giant energy concentrations of the galaxy centres radiate and which have the nature of the atoms. At the same time as the substance and the time of this new substance were born, this energy moved in a space that already excisted and which does not expand or curve!

Our time is extremely slow in relation to the speed of movement in which the substance / energy of the visible universe move in a space that already excists.

And when the stars began to radiate their energy, the energy started to move as particules in an area between the galaxies ect.

Now let´s think that energy of the visible universe would begin to meet corresponding galaxies
in a 90 degree angle.

Naturally towards those galaxies would hit energy coming from the stars of the visible universe.
So this energy did not once move in an area between the galaxy “seeds”.

In an area between the particules radiating from the stars does not move energy which could hit the particules passing the star!

In an area whre the particules come towards the star this energy moves and it hits towards the photons passing the star and this is how the light bends!

Energy concentarions orbit of movement changes, accelerates or slows down only when the energy of an energy concentration alters faster than normally in the other side than in the other into a less dense energy .

The Velocity

Let´s think about a ship that is one light second long and moves throuhg the whole visible universe nearly in a speed of light. The time of the ship is so slow that during that time only one second of the ships time passes by!

How many journeys of the ships length does the ship move in one ships second?

The oldest light of the visible universe has moved from the farest destination of the visible universe
towards us and at the same time all the material / energy of the visible universe (also that oldest light) has been able to move during one of our seconds in a similar way as the ship that moved in one ships second truly many times the same journey as its own length is!

Our time is simply so unthinkably slow in relation to that velocity in which all the material / energy of the visible universe moves in a space that allready excists.

And of course the light that moves into a direction in which all the energy / material of the visible universe pushes itself, moves with a fastest speed into that same direction, may it be a hunch faster!

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CraigS · #72 06-09-2010, 04:47 PM

Prove it !!

bojan · #73 06-09-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigS

Prove it !!

You must be kidding!

I am not sure even if he knows what he is talking about.

renormalised (Carl) · #74 06-09-2010, 05:37 PM

Judging by some of his earlier posts (I can't, nor do I want to, see his newer posts), I'm 200% certain of that, Bojan

Anyone who can muddle a train of thought so completely and clumsily couldn't even possibly know what they're thinking. What's coming out of his mind is truly creation ex nihilo.

Octane (Humayun) · #75 06-09-2010, 06:00 PM

I refuse to read the posts as they're completely incoherent.

I'm also factoring that English is not his native language, either.

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bojan · #76 06-09-2010, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Octane

I refuse to read the posts as they're completely incoherent.

I'm also factoring that English is not his native language, either.

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I also tried to factor his English into this.. especially because English is not my first language, so I started with a certain amount of understanding for him.. but with all the effort I put into this , I couldn't but to come to the conclusion I mentioned earlier.

CraigS · #77 06-09-2010, 06:50 PM

All this insight, guys ... without any attempts on interaction !!
Perhaps you're right ... oh .. ok .. I know you're right ... but this is his opportunity to prove it !

Cheers
PS: Anyone ever see an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation: where Picard is stranded on planet and his mission is to communicate with a species that is incomprehensible ??

Love that episode ...

Tah ... dah .... 'To boldly go' ....

PS: Oh yeah .. its called "Darmok" ... check it out sometime !!

Kal (Andrew) · #78 06-09-2010, 10:01 PM

After reading this thread earlier a bunch of theories crossed my mind, one of them being dark matter causing the effect. I found this website to be pretty comprehensive in looking at the previous & current studies of the effect.

Mr. Pressure · #79 06-09-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CraigS

Prove it !!

Scientific experiments

The argument about the expanding space is an empty argument! There is no way
to make scientific experiments with a space. The argument about expanding
space is not science. It is a religion!

The thing that particules radiate their energy is not an empty claim.
Particules can be examined and make scientifical experiment with them and
this way proof this claim to be true.

Let´s take long chutes from different materials into the space and place
telescopes to them to observe some known place of a star. If the energy that
comes to the chutes makes the photons moving in the chute to bend towards
the chute, we can this way observe that this star concerned seems to be in a
different place than it is known to be!

The sun does not curve the space. The energy coming towards the sun makes
photons passing by the sun to bend towards the sun, because the hot / thick,
small and little exterior surface possessing particules do not interact with
the photons passing by the sun!

Even Einstein once told us that the massive the object is, the slower the
time is.

In relation to the size of a star there is much more energy / substance in
the stars than in the photons. The substance / energy is denser in the stars
than what it is in the photons. The time of the stars is so slower than the
time of the photons!

This way the time of the old photons is faster than the time of the new
photons and the photons radiating from the stars do not tranfer their
kinetic energy to the photons passing by the star as much as the photons
coming towards the star do. This way the light bends at the same time it
passes the star without supposedly the star would bend the space!

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Mr. Pressure · #80 06-09-2010, 10:06 PM

"Dark energy"

The energy does not interact with the space in anyway! The space does not alter in any way.
The eternally excisting space does not expand, curve, roll, bang, stretch or foam!

According to the onesimpleprinciple model there occures a lot of such energy that effects the energy of the atomcores and makes the energy in a core to expand in other words to alter with accelerating speed into a less dense energy.

The atomcores absorb that energy also towards themselves. This is how the atomcores that expand all the time have enough energy to radiate the energy as waves and these waves have the nature of electrons and particules!

The energy of a visible universe originates from the objects that exicist really far outiside the visible universe. Those objects explode and radiate energywaves that have the nature of galaxies.

The galaxies are huge particules that explode and radiate energywaves that have the nature of atoms.The energy of all stars originare from enormeous energy consentrations of the galaxy centres!
The galaxies come to existence from inside to outside in other words from the centre to outward.

In the end all the energy of a visible universe has scattered smoothly in to a space. In some point the energy that has altered smooth begins to meet old galaxies and operates as so called dark energy in other words makes the energy of the galaxies that the energy meets to alter in an accelerating speed into a less dense energy ect.

Also the galaxies of the visible universe meet smoothly into a slightly dence altered energy.
This energy is remains of truly old galaxy energy. Is has moved through an enormeous emptiness within thousands of millions years. Within this time that energy has exploded in other words altered smoothly into a less dense energy in a eternal space that already exists.

Every single qvark in a visible universe meets that energy equally smoothly all the time.

In a moment the energy of a visible universe can move away from a space where the energy of a visible universe exists now and in a next moment away from a space where the energy of a visible universe just moved ect.

I can just imagine how much the qvarks are all the time able to absorb themselves more energy from the energy that has scattered smoothly and moves against the energy of the visible universe. That energy flaps in a moment through the visible universe and it absorbs all the time energy to the qvarks of the visible universe.

That is the so called dark energy that makes the substance to expand with an accelerating speed. It does not impact with the space in any way.

The space does not expand, curve or roll!

The density of an eternal energy varies in an eternal space that does not change in any way!

You must forget all about expanding space. The expanding of a space can not be proven scientifically! And you can not make a scientific experiment with the space! The argument of an empty space is an empty argument. More empty than the argument of the guardian angels!