Yeah tried again last night on 3195 with a larger scope and yes still a little underwhelming compared to others but as my observing friend was commenting last night it maybe one of the most viewed because it is harder to observe and find. I suppose this could be true.
Also Malcolm I could not see the red in ic 418. To me and my friend it seemed a little yellow last night in what appeared to be a perfect night. Nice PN too. My friend loaned me a 4.5 Delos for my 10 inch and the view was very captivating and crisp for the magnification. So thanks for the help in sourcing that PN, was well worth it.