Recreational fishing is a cruel sport and should be banned

[bojan]

The Nature fights back...

[MortonH]

Originally Posted by 75BC

We’ve had a number of shark attacks in WA in recent years and I have conflicting emotions over what should be done about it.

On the one hand I can fully understand peoples wanting sharks to be hunted / culled, especially friends and family of attack victims and the victims themselves. I enjoy taking a dip in the ocean but now worry about sharks.

But on the other hand, even when there is an attack I would think that the shark responsible has not done it just for recreation.

Therefore I usually lean more to the side of the shark.

Going into the ocean carries KNOWN risks, one of which is a shark attack. If you choose to enter THEIR environment you accept that risk. You can't blame a hungry shark for eating you if you jump onto its dinner plate.

[xelasnave]

Well Mr Trump may have arrived just in time.
When does he get the launch codes by the way.

I was thinking earlier we must arrive at a point where we need to get rid of various slecies because they take too much food out of the system.

Think of all the fish those damn sea birds eat, good food that could feed humans, and the whales eating all that krill.

Seems crazy but is it so hard to imagine a future where species are reviewed to determine how much protein that are stealing from humans.

I can see a book and a movie here.

Nevertheless I am somewhat positive in attitude and expect that some terrible war or disease will cull at least half of humanity so I really believe there is hope for a good future.

Er something doesnt seem right here but I cant put my finger on what it is.

What I find strange with humans is we breed all sorts of animals under ridgid programs and yet to think of doing that with humans is not thought about.. Its too wild to be spoken about..

I have said before we should be breeding humans smaller and smaller, get them down to about a foot tall.

Think of how such a statedgy would ease ptessure on resources. My house has 10 foot ceilings I could get 7 or 8 floors and subdivide the floor area... well you can see how we could house more for a reduced resource cost.

Food.. Gee a pizza would feed a little family for a week.

But one wonders about the future.

I cant see a happy ending but what can be done. What will be done...

Alex

[MortonH]

Alex,

I believe the intended solution is to colonise other planets and stuff them up too.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by MortonH

Going into the ocean carries KNOWN risks, one of which is a shark attack. If you choose to enter THEIR environment you accept that risk. You can't blame a hungry shark for eating you if you jump onto its dinner plate.

But we can.
We are supreme, the world is ours and all religions support that notion.
Kill those damn sharks.
Kill the mosquito.

The reason I dont kill is to distance myself from that human arrogance.

I still eat meat, fish chook and that may seem hypocritical but I do think one can make a statement if only to oneself that you are not arrogant and at least realise you can somehow be a little better and svae the little creatures you have direct control over.

For me it is just not being like so many who really believe it is their God given right to disregard all other life.

I tell you another thing I hate.
A dog bites someone they kill it. A human kills someone they get councelling.
The poor dog has no idea but pays with its life.. A human knows it has done wrong to kill yet no death penalty.

I think I will start a new thread and list all I dont like... Just the op should go for a few pages.

Alex

[Nath2099]

Optimistic bunch aren't we!

EDIT: I feel the same BTW. If western civilization lasts another 100 years I'd be surprised. I wonder as to the thoughts of those who have been cryogenicaly frozen on their thawing... "What the hell did you all do?"...

[alocky (Andrew lockwood)]

Although it's only tangentially relevant to the op here, Jared Diamonds book "collapse" details the usual history of overconsumption leading to collapse of the supply chain for most of the "great" civilisations. His telling point is that now we have a globalised supply chain, the next collapse will probably also be global. Another distressing observation of the final stages of these historic collapses is the evidence of cannibalism in the last layer of human bones.
So if we are to be hunting each other for food shortly I'm all for encouraging people to give up these immoral and cruel pastimes to ensure the playing field is well and truly tilted in my favour.

[Kunama]

Originally Posted by alocky

Although it's only tangentially relevant to the op here, Jared Diamonds book "collapse" details the usual history of overconsumption leading to collapse of the supply chain for most of the "great" civilisations. His telling point is that now we have a globalised supply chain, the next collapse will probably also be global. Another distressing observation of the final stages of these historic collapses is the evidence of cannibalism in the last layer of human bones.
So if we are to be hunting each other for food shortly I'm all for encouraging people to give up these immoral and cruel pastimes to ensure the playing field is well and truly tilted in my favour.

Puts a new twist to the idea of having Chinese for dinner
Whilst I agree with Les that 'sport' fishing is not the nicest pastime, the question rises, where do we stop? Horse racing, greyhound racing, falconry et al....
Horses don't run around the track because they love it....... and those not fast enough do not have a happy ending.....

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by MortonH

Alex,

I believe the intended solution is to colonise other planets and stuff them up too.

Izak Asimov wrote a book of short stories or notes with very interesting stuff I cant recall what was called however he wrote about the rate of human expansion. How long it would take until there were only humans on the planet and all protien used most efficiently. I think he predicted one human for every square meter but he took the approach out to the stars and unfortunately I cant recall the time frame but it was not long before we eat out the galaxy.

Maybe someone has the book and can tell us what I am talking about.

Alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by Kunama

Puts a new twist to the idea of having Chinese for dinner

[MortonH]

Originally Posted by alocky

Although it's only tangentially relevant to the op here, Jared Diamonds book "collapse" details the usual history of overconsumption leading to collapse of the supply chain for most of the "great" civilisations. His telling point is that now we have a globalised supply chain, the next collapse will probably also be global. Another distressing observation of the final stages of these historic collapses is the evidence of cannibalism in the last layer of human bones.
So if we are to be hunting each other for food shortly I'm all for encouraging people to give up these immoral and cruel pastimes to ensure the playing field is well and truly tilted in my favour.

Soylent Green with chips please.

[xelasnave]

Would breeding humans for food be wrong.
I mean think of the exploitation that we tolerate would it be such a big step.
You know there must be a way.
How different is it to breeding pigs or cattle.
Just lives no big deal.

Maybe that is not an idea I should let out there because sadly there may be folk out there who will see the huge untapped market.
I think I will go out now I feel the need.. . Maybe I have been indoors a little too long.
Alex

[Kunama]

My dear wife has a different method of fishing, she doesn't like the thought of hurting the fish so she just has a sinker on the end of the line and then puts a ball of dough above the sinker and lets the fish feed on it........

[75BC (Brendon)]

I like watching wildlife docos but struggle with the bits where you see the animals killing each other. I realize they have to eat but I always feel for the one being eaten.
I do like meat but if I couldn't get it in a packet at the shop I'd starve.

[sharpiel]

Today has been a hard day for me. I have despaired for our future. I spent the whole day trying to re-teach a wild Lorikeet hit by a car this morning severely concussed with swelling on her brain how to use her feet again. She may never re-learn. I have a room full of them. Beautiful rainbow lorikeets whose feet are useless twisted balls.

They'd be dead in the wild but they soldier on in my sanctuary thankful for their lives as they are...they never cease to humble me with my first world problems. I laugh to think of them now. A broken door latch...out of date computer. An ongoing debate with a recreational fisherman...

They all appreciate my efforts on their behalf and reward me with the glory of their individual personalities. And they love their lives here. They fly and rejoice in the birth of every day. They like I, revel in life. Ask is it kinder to have them euthanised? No...transient pain beats eternal death hands down. They are eubellient, joyful creatures revelling in their second chances. They understand fully their place now in the world and they appreciate it as you wouldn't believe had you not shared it with them.

The world will never change. Until it becomes to expensive not to. Then watch the revolution in social values and the rise of the new hypocrisy.

[Nath2099]

Don't forget to look after yourself as well as your animals friend. I don't know you, but you seem the kind of person I like to think a lot of us aspire too be. What you do for those animals is to be congratulated. Some of us fellow human beings do recognize it, and appreciate your work.

[Kunama]

Having seen Les's home firsthand, I am in awe of his (and his partner's) dedication to the rescue and rehabilitation of those beautiful creatures.....

An example to us all !

[bobson (Bob)]

Interesting post, it tells a lot about us as humans.
A lot of extreme views from both sides.
The truth is as always somewhere in the middle

To stir things up lets not forget culling kangaroos, brumbies, water buffalo, rabbits, frogs and so on.

Or lets really stir things up

So if Alex saves mosquito that happens to carry Ross river virus or some other disease and that mosquito infects a person(s). Should Alex be held responsible for not doing right thing and kill that mosquito?

I am sure as a lawyer he will have right answer

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by bobson

Interesting post, it tells a lot about us as humans.
A lot of extreme views from both sides.
The truth is as always somewhere in the middle

To stir things up lets not forget culling kangaroos, brumbies, water buffalo, rabbits, frogs and so on.

Or lets really stir things up

So if Alex saves mosquito that happens to carry Ross river virus or some other disease and that mosquito infects a person(s). Should Alex be held responsible for not doing right thing and kill that mosquito?

I am sure as a lawyer he will have right answer

I keep those ones aside until they get better.

Alex

[bobson (Bob)]

I knew you would

cheers

bob