Alcohol

[GeoffW1 (Geoff)]

Originally Posted by Steffen

but for medicinal reasons (red wine) or pure delectation (single malt).

Cheers
Steffen.

Me too.

[GeoffW1 (Geoff)]

Originally Posted by ausastronomer

Hi Trevor,

Come on, please, discuss something you know something about !!

Cheers,
John B

That's a bit rough John, no need for that

[ausastronomer (John Bambury)]

Originally Posted by TrevorW

You assume a lot about what I know and don't know

Trevor,

I don't assume a lot at all. I know from this premise of yours

A lot has been done to educate against and control smoking habits while little has been done when in comes to alcohol

that you really don't know what has been done in the past 20 years by the industry and the government regulators to address the issues of alcohol abuse.

I have been at the coalface and a part of every single change that has occured over the past 20 years and I can guarantee you an enormous amount has been done over the past 20 years to address all of the issues concerning alcohol abuse. The cost of this to the industry itself has been significant.

However I believe that the advertising of alcohol should be banned the same as cigarette smoking. I also believe based on the effects of alcohol that the Govt is hypocritical by their (in)actions.

A 2011 Poll 68% of people supported a ban on alcohol advertising

http://www.fare.org.au/research-deve...l-advertising/


Also read this report

http://www.fare.org.au/wp-content/up...-June-2012.pdf


An Extract from it

The cost of alcohol abuse is emotional and relational as well as financial. Heavy drinkers have cost those around them more than $14 billion in out-of-pocket expenses, forgone wages and productivity, and more than $6 billion in intangible costs. Each year more than 70 000 Australians are the victims of alcohol-related assaults and, of those, 24 000 are victims of domestic violence. In addition, almost 20 000 children across Australia are victims of substantiated alcohol-related child abuse.

I don't disagree with any of that. I am disagreeing with your comment which essentially says "nothing has been done to address the alcohol issue", which couldn't be further from the truth. As I said in my previous post about the only things they haven't stopped in the past 20 years is your right to advertise it and sell it

Cheers,
John B

[TrevorW]

John you are looking at this from one point of view,

For all the regulation Govt has imposed upon the industry, it appears little has been achieved in curtailing the drinking habits of young Australians or the socio economic problems associated with excessive alcohol consumption and research papers have been written about inadequacies of police and industry enforcement of these regulations under the Liquor and Gaming Acts, regulations which are controlled at State level not Federal.

Also numerous research has been done by various bodies on alcohol consumption and from what I've read the problem has gotten worse not better.

My attack was not against the industry, in fact I believe my poll questions where quite to the point IMO and addressed the nature of the Govt policies when it comes to alchol as compared to cigarette smoking.

If we are to discuss issues relating to industry I could argue that IMO the drinking age should be lifted to 21 and that bottle shops, pubs and clubs should be open for less hours and higher taxes imposed on the product.

It's ludicrous IMO how a 750ml bottle of wine for example can be purchased cheaper than a bottle of beer but these issues where not the intent of my post.

I was asking for people to give an opinion as to whether advertising of alcohol should be banned or not.

Cheers

[bobson (Bob)]

Trevor:
A lot has been done to educate against and control smoking habits while little has been done when in comes to alcohol

Trevor meant little in comparison what has been done with smoking. Advertising alcohol should be banned.

[Hans Tucker (Hans)]

If you ban alcohol ads we will miss out on the epic one...like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYZs7VJaAlQ

[Larryp (Laurie)]

Has anybody seen reliable statistics to show a reduction in smoking attributable to advertising restiction and plain packaging? If there is a reduction, it would be difficult to attribute it solely to no advertising. A reduction could also be due to restictions on where people can smoke.
I feel that with smoking and drinking, peer pressure plays a bigger part than advertising does with young people.
Its unfortunate that kids get hooked on one or both.

[marki]

I see alcohol advertising as a key element in the process of evolution. Its main intention as has been highlighted in this thread is to conjure up business from the younger generation who consume copious amounts, vomit all over the place, fall over, start fights for no given reason and cause numerous car accidents. Why if we did not have this evolutionary mechanism to cull our youth by crikey we would have to get involved in more wars to maintain the required slaughter rate and ensure the survival of our nation and the nurturing of our brightest and best. I say let alcohol advertising stay and perform its function. Another added bonus is greater sales of alcohol will only add to the federal and state coffers meaning more cash will be available come budget time .

Mark

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

I can't show any more perfect exsample of the absolute terrible ads for alcahol than this one that links some of our greatest achievements to drinking like going to the moon if the astronauts had been drinking they would have gone nowhere except in their minds.

This amusing film celebrates the achievements of bold thinking men achieving their goals through acts of derring-do. Each of their triumphs is celebrated with a glass of the advertised whiskey, cementing the idea that men's greatest moments are inspired by drunkenness and Dutch courage.

http://www.thedrum.com/news/2012/11/...y-bourbon-bird

This is one of the many reasons I can't stand the many horrible alcahol advertising and I won't even start on the XXXX ads.

[Irish stargazer (John)]

Thats it . I'm going back home

[brian nordstrom (As avatar)]

The best ever .
Brian.

Originally Posted by Hans Tucker

If you ban alcohol ads we will miss out on the epic one...like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYZs7VJaAlQ

[Barrykgerdes]

Man's love of alcohol beverages is older than history. Well before advertising, TV, papers etc. If anyone thinks that banning alcohol advertising will have any effect on alcohol consumption they would have to have rocks in their heads (or be polititions).

Barry

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

This is not a ' sob ' story ...and I have never had a ' chip ' on my shoulder nor expected that the world ' owed ' me anything.... I was too young to know ....I and my twin sister were 6 months old when we were made ' Wards of the State ' .....too young to be put in an Orphanage ...placed in a ' non religious ' home for ' Babies ' .......why...??

Both Parents ....chronic Alcoholics ...both died from renal failure.
...caused from excessive Alcohol consumption.

From my perspective ....Ban Alcohol Advert's ...Yes.
Look at the grief it causes in Society.

A lot of people don't know this ...many years ago ...I worked along side ' Law Enforcement ' Officers .....and the amount of ' offenders ' that would give the lame excuse for their behavior was ' because he /she was affected by Alcohol.....in an attempt to have the Judge go easy on them.... it was pathetic.....they ( in most cases ) want to put the ' blame ' on the drink ... because they don't want to be held accountable ..!!

Have a drink if you want to... your choice .. but be aware of its' consequences.

There is nothing wrong with Alcohol in itself .....it's what you do with it and how it affects you..!!

Flash ..!!

[bobson (Bob)]

Advertising works, period. Who ever doesn't know this obviously is affected by alcohol consumption or really have rocks in their heads.

Man's love of alcohol beverages is older than history. Well before advertising, TV, papers etc. If anyone thinks that banning alcohol advertising will have any effect on alcohol consumption they would have to have rocks in their heads (or be polititions).

Barry

Do we really need Liquorland to be one of the Melbourne Tennis Open sponsors?
Here in WA I just got junk mail from Bottlemart with big front page saying:

"THE LONG WEEKEND IS COMING!"

[Larryp (Laurie)]

Advertising bans will have no effect on that sort of behaviour, Brian

[Ric]

It would not worry me to see a ban on advertising.

Looking at the majority of the beer ads, they are only designed to encourage drinking (obviously) and increase sales.

I much prefer a cup of tea after a hard days work.

If ads are banned it may slow the rate at which kids take up into this binge drinking mentality.

[Hans Tucker (Hans)]

Originally Posted by Ric

It would not worry me to see a ban on advertising.

Looking at the majority of the beer ads, they are only designed to encourage drinking (obviously) and increase sales.

I much prefer a cup of tea after a hard days work.

If ads are banned it may slow the rate at which kids take up into this binge drinking mentality.

I doubt that. It has been established that kids develop their drinking preferences and patterns from their peers and their parents and not from advertising.

[TrevorW]

Originally Posted by marki

I see alcohol advertising as a key element in the process of evolution. Its main intention as has been highlighted in this thread is to conjure up business from the younger generation who consume copious amounts, vomit all over the place, fall over, start fights for no given reason and cause numerous car accidents. Why if we did not have this evolutionary mechanism to cull our youth by crikey we would have to get involved in more wars to maintain the required slaughter rate and ensure the survival of our nation and the nurturing of our brightest and best. I say let alcohol advertising stay and perform its function. Another added bonus is greater sales of alcohol will only add to the federal and state coffers meaning more cash will be available come budget time .

Mark

rrrr the Darwinian principle

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

Originally Posted by marki

I see alcohol advertising as a key element in the process of evolution. Its main intention as has been highlighted in this thread is to conjure up business from the younger generation who consume copious amounts, vomit all over the place, fall over, start fights for no given reason and cause numerous car accidents. Why if we did not have this evolutionary mechanism to cull our youth by crikey we would have to get involved in more wars to maintain the required slaughter rate and ensure the survival of our nation and the nurturing of our brightest and best. I say let alcohol advertising stay and perform its function. Another added bonus is greater sales of alcohol will only add to the federal and state coffers meaning more cash will be available come budget time .

Mark

What a ' tragic ' statement to make .....!!
Tomorrow ...your wife / daughter / son / best mate / Mother / Father ...may become a victim to such a ' philosophy ' ...let's see how you handle that ...?????????

Flash ..!!

[blink138 (Pat)]

Originally Posted by FlashDrive

What a ' tragic ' statement to make .....!!
Tomorrow ...your wife / daughter / son / best mate / Mother / Father ...may become a victim to such a ' philosophy ' ...let's see how you handle that ...?????????

Flash ..!!

i think marki' emoticon means it was tongue in cheek..... i am guessing!
pat