And after all these posts - yours is the first to get nasty. .....................We're enjoying some spirited banter between friends here. Thanks for the input.... LOL
Very well said!
My only thing to say to this tread is........if you dont like apple, what fruit do you like?
dito @Mike and @ Carl
Bartman
Well, I've read my way through this thread not because I want to argue about either systems merits or pitfalls but because I am loking at buying a tablet and of course the argument comes up whether to go Apple or Android.
I confess I am no Apple fan but do admire their system but the openness of Android is tending to attract me more but then the lack of standards is a bit scary as well. .
There are also other factors to consider us being a 'SONY' house, TV, PS3, etc which leans me to the Sony Tablet (Android) due to conectivity possibilities but a couple of weeks ago I played with a mates iPad2 and was impressed as hell with what it could do.
So I am no closer to a decision than I was a while ago but I certainly know a heck of a lot more about both systems from this discussion.
Thanks guys ,... I'll just go flip a coin I think ..
I'm kind of partial to grapefruit, but I don't think that would make a great name for a computer!!!!!
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Carl it was actually meant for the original poster.....
As for the name for a puter.....some naming culture for tech is quite funny/interesting......some cpus :clawhammer, sandy bridge, mac os leopard, snow leopard.....etc etc..........Grapefruit doesn't seem all to weird after all
Bartman
Well, I've read my way through this thread not because I want to argue about either systems merits or pitfalls but because I am loking at buying a tablet and of course the argument comes up whether to go Apple or Android.
I confess I am no Apple fan but do admire their system but the openness of Android is tending to attract me more but then the lack of standards is a bit scary as well. .
There are also other factors to consider us being a 'SONY' house, TV, PS3, etc which leans me to the Sony Tablet (Android) due to conectivity possibilities but a couple of weeks ago I played with a mates iPad2 and was impressed as hell with what it could do.
So I am no closer to a decision than I was a while ago but I certainly know a heck of a lot more about both systems from this discussion.
Thanks guys ,... I'll just go flip a coin I think ..
Do not! I repeat DO NOT get an iPad2
The iPad3 will be out in 2 months - and its going to be a monstrosity of mobile computing POWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Seriously the iPad 3 will be fast enough to forecast the weather and predict the future!
Also don't be scared by the "lack of standard" of Android. Its that bit extra freedom that makes it just that little bit more interesting.
Hehehehe
Carl it was actually meant for the original poster.....
As for the name for a puter.....some naming culture for tech is quite funny/interesting......some cpus :clawhammer, sandy bridge, mac os leopard, snow leopard.....etc etc..........Grapefruit doesn't seem all to weird after all
Bartman
I know, but it was too hard to resist
What about Ubuntu builds...they're even weirder!!!
What about Ubuntu builds...they're even weirder!!!
I reckon Ubuntu is overrated I like SUSE Linux for ease of use and software installation and Sabayon Linux because everything works on my Laptop out of the box wireless included and it looks great
I won't go in to a lengthy explanation of my previous points but I will expand on just a couple.
The first is the issue of battery replacement.
I can't recall any other cellphone that can't simply have the back removed and another battery slipped in without tools, without hassles.
Cost is usually $50- $100 for replacement batteries. The cost of appleshop battery placement for the IPhone is around the $250 mark, that is unacceptable. I'm fortunate in that replacing a battery is no big deal but the average punter has no such option.
My iPad has been managed no differently than any other, software updates done when available, cache regularly flushed battery charging regime carefully managed etc, I don't have much music or images onboard so remaining space isn't an issue. There are many reports of identical issues out in the real world, the unortunate thing is that not all people experience these issues. (differing hardware revisions within model versions perhaps)
I really can't be bothered chasing these problems, I spend a good deal of my working day chasing software problems in Pabx instalations; I simply don't enjoy fixing bug issues any more. Like many others i'm hoping they will go away with the next revision.
Remember, the catch cry from Apple tragics is that these OS's are bug free, just work, dont crash, are easy to use, I don't expect my iPad to be a rocketship, I do expect a system as locked down as the iOS is to be stable and I expect things to work as expected (see the image removal reference)
Finally regarding Apple treating it's customers with contempt, look above to the battery example, then consider the case where users can't revert to previously stable versions of the OS. IMO that's treating your customers with contempt.
18 months may be considered "long in the tooth" for the 3Gs, but I have an old Nokia that cost just $70 that is audibly superior ( the 3Gs it would seem has no noise cancellation on it's mic) and gives better coverage than the IPhone depite being on it's second battery ($45 if my memory serves me correctly) and overe 4 years old.
As I said I love my iDevices just as I love my PC, when it comes to reliability and robustness my PC wins hands down, despite Microsofts obvious deficiencies.
Apple have been able to (1) increase the battery capacity in their products and (2) create more space within their products, simply due to transforming "replaceable" batteries into "fixed" batteries. This eliminates a substantial amount of packaging within the battery, and creates more real estate in the device. My iPods, iPhones, iPads and Macbooks have never needed replacement batteries.
I have just completed reading Steve Jobs' bio for the second time and all of the Apple philosophies and general reasonings behind their design and functionality decisions are detailed in the book. And, I might add, make perfect sense to me. I fully recommend the book to anyone interested in technology and the history of computers in general.
What a load of dribble. The provisioning of a replacement battery, screwed down access hatch does not provide a reduction of space but does reduce the need for the item tobe returned to the manufacturer for a substantial fee. As for Steve Jobs he was nothing more than in inteligent individual who had a good head for marketing. If Microsoft performed their company the way Jobs has made Apple work they would all have been in Jail for restrictive trade practices.
Come up with something real instead of this sort of dribble on a subject you obviously know little about. The batteries used could be improved quite dramaticaly as could most other batteries used today but again cost is the limiting factor. We never get the best based on cost and building items for the larger population.
Apple are every bit as restrictive in their business model as Microsoft if not more but are not being pursued by government in the US.
here's one for you chris.........is there a programme or setting to disable the apple that lights up on the back or my macbook pro i have black tape over it...geez it's bright in the pod of a night...
Hi Pete, If you had bought a Microsoft based machine you cold have looked this up easily in the help files.
had Apple thought less of profits and control and more of how to make their devices the best they could be.
Apple is public company owned by many shareholders . The SOLE purpose of a CEO in a public company is to "maintain shareholder value" via capital gain and dividends. Apple is spectacularly successful at this. Profits always come 1st , that's what shareholders want, they own the company. Product excellence of course can produce this success , but if being able to delete photos on your iPad for instance produces the slightest reduction in profit, short or long term (for media control reasons etc) then it won't happen, obviously.
"the best they can be" can be taken 2 ways, what you like, or what produces the best return for shareholders. If I was a shareholder, I know which way I'd want
Hi Pete, If you had bought a Microsoft based machine you cold have looked this up easily in the help files.
Cheers
Yes, thats what I've noticed. If you have a problem, especially a critical one, (like when yr iPhone crasHe's so hard after a simple auto firm wear upgrade that you cant even turn it off ) the palava in finding how to fix it is just horrendous. Serious net crawling. Nothing in the manual about any of the problems I've had.
I won't go in to a lengthy explanation of my previous points but I will expand on just a couple.
S1. The first is the issue of battery replacement.
I can't recall any other cellphone that can't simply have the back removed and another battery slipped in without tools, without hassles.
Cost is usually $50- $100 for replacement batteries. The cost of appleshop battery placement for the IPhone is around the $250 mark, that is unacceptable. I'm fortunate in that replacing a battery is no big deal but the average punter has no such option.
A1: You don't need to replace the battery a new model will be released in 12 months
S2. My iPad has been managed no differently than any other, software updates done when available, cache regularly flushed battery charging regime carefully managed etc, I don't have much music or images onboard so remaining space isn't an issue. There are many reports of identical issues out in the real world, the unortunate thing is that not all people experience these issues. (differing hardware revisions within model versions perhaps)
A2. You don't need to worry about software bugs there will be a new version released every month for free
S.3 I really can't be bothered chasing these problems, I spend a good deal of my working day chasing software problems in Pabx instalations; I simply don't enjoy fixing bug issues any more. Like many others i'm hoping they will go away with the next revision.
A3. refer A2
S4. Remember, the catch cry from Apple tragics is that these OS's are bug free, just work, dont crash, are easy to use, I don't expect my iPad to be a rocketship, I do expect a system as locked down as the iOS is to be stable and I expect things to work as expected (see the image removal reference)
A4. refer A2
S5. Finally regarding Apple treating it's customers with contempt, look above to the battery example, then consider the case where users can't revert to previously stable versions of the OS. IMO that's treating your customers with contempt.
A5. Refer Microsoft no different
S6. 18 months may be considered "long in the tooth" for the 3Gs, but I have an old Nokia that cost just $70 that is audibly superior ( the 3Gs it would seem has no noise cancellation on it's mic) and gives better coverage than the IPhone depite being on it's second battery ($45 if my memory serves me correctly) and overe 4 years old.
A6 refer A1
As I said I love my iDevices just as I love my PC, when it comes to reliability and robustness my PC wins hands down, despite Microsofts obvious deficiencies.
They both have good and bad points
As an example for some reason all of a sudden my ACER PC decides not to boot the first time it justs hangs before it gets to the Starting Windows screen, the next time it boots after switching off by holding the power key for 6 seconds it goes to a Diagnostics Startup screen which asks if I want to run Startup repair or Start Windows normally. I ran the Startup Repair, tried it a couple of times, didn't find anything wrong.
Tried to run restore wouldn't work. Looked for a solution via the Web couldn't find anything that made sense, the only option I could see was to reload Windows completely which would mean I'd loose everything and waste hrs reinstalling all my software programs.
Couldn't be bothered, so now I have to switch it on etc as outlined above and other times it will load normally without ado.
My IPod battery has been fine for 2 years not a problem same with the Iphone although the Iphone doesn't hold its charge as long as it used too.
Hi Chris, Only following the same head in the mud approach you are taking. I understand you love your apple gear but to be honest anyone would think you are on apples pay roll to further the companies product.
To your way of thinking apple may have the right gear and approach to it's development etc but to someone who grew up with a much more open system with loads more freedom to use and abuse I strongly disagree with your thoughts. Be it a battery, a power switch or the restrictive programing practices I will stick to what I know better.
I have purchased both an Iphone and Ipad based on the great write ups here only to be quite disappointed with both.
By the way, the lack of a power switch may well have cost me my first Iphone which ended up with some water in it and being unable to power it down may well have caused it's demise and the purchase of another when only a day old. Apple didn't want to know about it or investigate a repair. They just wanted another sale.
Keep your battery for now. Will email youwhen I need another. Won't be long I guess. Put one asside for the Ipad as well it's not lasting so well anymore.
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) the palava in finding how to fix it is just horrendous. Serious net crawling. Nothing in the manual about any of the problems I've had.
