I hate Apple

[acropolite (Phil)]

I'll just throw my 2 bobs worth in to the mix. For starters I'm not a rusted on apple tragic.

With regard to Macs, none of the software I use in my day to day work will run on Macs.

Lets start with the ipad. iOS is buggy, not necessarily to everyone, but my experience with iOS has been like many others, persistent annoying bugs that seem to compound as various versions are released. My iPad at latest release iOS 5.01 is almost to the point of being unuseable.

That said, the iPad is the best tablet by a long shot, I'd describe it as "the best of a bad lot". The sooner the other manufacturers get their act together and produce a decent device the better. The iPad does a lot of things simply and efficiently, the screen, particularly the touch part is pretty well perfect.

The computer upload/download interface (itunes) and filespace within the ipad can only be described as a dogs breakfast.
Simple acts such as sharing the same file between apps can be difficult or impossible in some cases. Compartmentalised storage is a PITA.
Deletion of images from within the iPad can be easy or difficult depending on how the image arrived in the device, IMHO that's just plain stupid. Flash is not available, no amount of denial by Apple will convince the masses that this is a sensible move.

Batteries are not easily user replaceable, once your battery gets tired be prepared to be gouged by apple for a replacement, or risk dismantling your toy to replace the battery.

Now for the iPhone, basically an ipod touch with a sub standard phone and GPS inbuilt, my 3GS had the poorest audio quality I have ever heard from a cellphone. Given it's lineage, the iPhone is well and truly overpriced.

Once again subsequent software releases make the iPhone sluggish and buggy.

As with the iPad, battery replacement is all but impossible for a non tech head and if your usage is high the battery will be tired in a little as 12 months. The plus points are once again the interface, intuitive and easy to use, it just works, that's why I'll be getting another iPhone despite it's flaws.

I love my iDevices, but I'm under no illusions as to the flaws inherent in the devices, nor am I prepared to accept the contempt with which Apple treats it's customers.

For now I'll happily use what's on offer, but that won't stop me from being sorely disappointed by what could have been, had Apple thought less of profits and control and more of how to make their devices the best they could be.

[marki]

Ah apple smaple.... computing for the brain dead...... I reckon they have 3 years max without Jobs. Like all fruits they will go rotten over time : P


Mark

[TrevorW]

[stephenb (Stephen)]

Originally Posted by allan gould

I certainly started a rumpus with my little dummy spit over the iPad. I was contacted by apple after sending in my email to them outlining the problem. After following a convoluted path of instructions they fixed it all. No problems and I can't complain about the Apple service to their customers, the only thing I get from Microsoft is Mumbai calling about my infected PC.
I didn't realize how dependent I had become on the iPad for the Internet, mail and books.
Please continue to shoot at each other re apple V windows/android as my dummy spit is over thanks to Valerie of Apple customer care

Allan, genuinely happy you got the problem resolved and received good customer service.

Originally Posted by mozzie

here's one for you chris.........is there a programme or setting to disable the apple that lights up on the back or my macbook pro i have black tape over it...geez it's bright in the pod of a night...

A pain in the backside at night, I'd agree... but during the day it does look cool http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/..../winking70.gif

Originally Posted by acropolite

I'll just throw my 2 bobs worth in to the mix. For starters I'm not a rusted on apple tragic.

With regard to Macs, none of the software I use in my day to day work will run on Macs.

I don't think many would have an issue with that experience. That's how Apple computers have been for decades.

Originally Posted by acropolite

...Lets start with the ipad. iOS is buggy, not necessarily to everyone, but my experience with iOS has been like many others, persistent annoying bugs that seem to compound as various versions are released. My iPad at latest release iOS 5.01 is almost to the point of being unuseable.

Have you taken steps to establish why it is "almost to the point of being useless?" Seems a pretty general statement to me.

Originally Posted by acropolite

That said, the iPad is the best tablet by a long shot, I'd describe it as "the best of a bad lot". The sooner the other manufacturers get their act together and produce a decent device the better. The iPad does a lot of things simply and efficiently, the screen, particularly the touch part is pretty well perfect.

The computer upload/download interface (itunes) and filespace within the ipad can only be described as a dogs breakfast.
Simple acts such as sharing the same file between apps can be difficult or impossible in some cases. Compartmentalised storage is a PITA.
Deletion of images from within the iPad can be easy or difficult depending on how the image arrived in the device, IMHO that's just plain stupid. Flash is not available, no amount of denial by Apple will convince the masses that this is a sensible move.

The portable Apple iDevices are not high speed, high storage computers which you seem to thinking they are???

Originally Posted by acropolite

Batteries are not easily user replaceable, once your battery gets tired be prepared to be gouged by apple for a replacement, or risk dismantling your toy to replace the battery.

Already explained towards the start of the thread.

Originally Posted by acropolite

Now for the iPhone, basically an ipod touch with a sub standard phone and GPS inbuilt, my 3GS had the poorest audio quality I have ever heard from a cellphone. Given it's lineage, the iPhone is well and truly overpriced.

Once again subsequent software releases make the iPhone sluggish and buggy.

As with the iPad, battery replacement is all but impossible for a non tech head and if your usage is high the battery will be tired in a little as 12 months. The plus points are once again the interface, intuitive and easy to use, it just works, that's why I'll be getting another iPhone despite it's flaws.

I love my iDevices, but I'm under no illusions as to the flaws inherent in the devices, nor am I prepared to accept the contempt with which Apple treats it's customers.

For now I'll happily use what's on offer, but that won't stop me from being sorely disappointed by what could have been, had Apple thought less of profits and control and more of how to make their devices the best they could be.

Seems to me Phil you are in the category of consumers who expect too much for what these products can do, or analysis the inner workings of iDevices to o heavily. Not having a go at you Phil, just clearly these devices are may not be suited to your requirements.

I can only repeat my experiences: Never had a sluggish, non-responsive iDevice, never had a crash, etc etc. they just "work". And if something doesn't do what it should be doing, it's not a life threatening emergency, society is not going to crumble because iTunes takes a long time to load or whatever.

Funny how for decades all we heard ad nauseum were the criticisms of Windows products.

Here is a company that produces an "end-to-end" product which in most cases doesn't need an instruction/installation manual!

I know so many people (me included who have upgraded PC every year or two (extra RAM here, bigger HDD there), but I also know Mac Users (also me included) who have had the same stable Mac for 3-4 years without any upgrades and it still runs the same as it did from day one.

I'm spent.

[Omaroo (Chris Malikoff)]

With regard to Macs, none of the software I use in my day to day work will run on Macs.

** Yes, of course it will. I run lots of Windows software on my Macs. Read the previous posts regarding VERY good virtualisation.

Lets start with the ipad. iOS is buggy, not necessarily to everyone, but my experience with iOS has been like many others, persistent annoying bugs that seem to compound as various versions are released. My iPad at latest release iOS 5.01 is almost to the point of being unuseable.

** Your experience Phil. "Unusable" sounds like a problem with your device, and that's ridiculous. Get it fixed. Restore it and start again. It isn't a painful exercise. Take it in to an Apple shop next time you're in Melbourne or Sydney. I'd be interested to see how you've managed yours, and learn why it's degraded to the point you say it has.


The computer upload/download interface (itunes) and filespace within the ipad can only be described as a dogs breakfast.
Simple acts such as sharing the same file between apps can be difficult or impossible in some cases. Compartmentalised storage is a PITA.
Deletion of images from within the iPad can be easy or difficult depending on how the image arrived in the device, IMHO that's just plain stupid.

** Granted - it's a little messy yet. I think that this will improve over time - it has to! I don't mind it on the Mac, but the Windows version is still lacking in some areas.

Flash is not available, no amount of denial by Apple will convince the masses that this is a sensible move.

** Again - Flash is dead on mobile devices. Adobe themselves have realised this and won't be developing the platform for ANY mobile device shortly. The masses are use going to have to adapt.

Batteries are not easily user replaceable, once your battery gets tired be prepared to be gouged by apple for a replacement, or risk dismantling your toy to replace the battery.

** Like any battery, I guess that usage patterns between people are different. I don't use my phone all day every day, so I suppose that someone who does will see shorter battery life. I suspect that ALL phone manufacturers would "gouge" a client who walked into a retail store to have a battery replaced. Admittedly, there is a labour component here as well. As stated, these batteries were never designed to be replaceable - preference going to controlling the bulk of the device and knowing that LiPo batteries are easily going to, on average, last the life of most user's phones.

Now for the iPhone, basically an ipod touch with a sub standard phone and GPS inbuilt, my 3GS had the poorest audio quality I have ever heard from a cellphone. Given it's lineage, the iPhone is well and truly overpriced.

** Interesting. Depending on what network you're on, and where you are, I've found that all phones behave (sometimes radically) differently. I remember Humayun and I tested internet connectivity over 3G when we were at BSG in 2009, and my phone had vastly superior comms to his - and the only difference was our choice of carrier.

Once again subsequent software releases make the iPhone sluggish and buggy.

** Uhmm... you sure about this? Others seem to be OK. I'd dearly love to see your devices. There has to be a reason they're both giving you trouble like this, because it certainly isn't normal. If it were, they wouldn't sell. The 3GS is getting a little long in the tooth though. Software advances unfortunately out-pace hardware design, and it's a fact of modern computing.

As with the iPad, battery replacement is all but impossible for a non tech head and if your usage is high the battery will be tired in a little as 12 months. The plus points are once again the interface, intuitive and easy to use, it just works, that's why I'll be getting another iPhone despite it's flaws.

I love my iDevices, but I'm under no illusions as to the flaws inherent in the devices, nor am I prepared to accept the contempt with which Apple treats it's customers.

** Have they personally treated you badly? Allan here had an almost instantaneous result for his problem. Can't be all that bad...

[mithrandir (Andrew)]

Originally Posted by Octane

He's just passionate about things that just work.

H

H, several years ago I used the following as a sig line. I got asked by someone if I minded them using it. They still are.

We are stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works. (Douglas Adams) Some say that should read Microsoft instead of technology.

Apple provides stuff that works more reliably than M$.

Originally Posted by acropolite

Flash is not available, no amount of denial by Apple will convince the masses that this is a sensible move.

Chris said Adobe appear to be abandoning Flash on mobile platforms. Microsoft betas are doing the same in Win8 with Silverlight for browsers, keeping it for apps.

[AG Hybrid (Adrian)]

Originally Posted by acropolite

I'll just throw my 2 bobs worth in to the mix. For starters I'm not a rusted on apple tragic.

With regard to Macs, none of the software I use in my day to day work will run on Macs.

Lets start with the ipad. iOS is buggy, not necessarily to everyone, but my experience with iOS has been like many others, persistent annoying bugs that seem to compound as various versions are released. My iPad at latest release iOS 5.01 is almost to the point of being unuseable.

That said, the iPad is the best tablet by a long shot, I'd describe it as "the best of a bad lot". The sooner the other manufacturers get their act together and produce a decent device the better. The iPad does a lot of things simply and efficiently, the screen, particularly the touch part is pretty well perfect.

The computer upload/download interface (itunes) and filespace within the ipad can only be described as a dogs breakfast.
Simple acts such as sharing the same file between apps can be difficult or impossible in some cases. Compartmentalised storage is a PITA.
Deletion of images from within the iPad can be easy or difficult depending on how the image arrived in the device, IMHO that's just plain stupid. Flash is not available, no amount of denial by Apple will convince the masses that this is a sensible move.

Batteries are not easily user replaceable, once your battery gets tired be prepared to be gouged by apple for a replacement, or risk dismantling your toy to replace the battery.

Now for the iPhone, basically an ipod touch with a sub standard phone and GPS inbuilt, my 3GS had the poorest audio quality I have ever heard from a cellphone. Given it's lineage, the iPhone is well and truly overpriced.

Once again subsequent software releases make the iPhone sluggish and buggy.

As with the iPad, battery replacement is all but impossible for a non tech head and if your usage is high the battery will be tired in a little as 12 months. The plus points are once again the interface, intuitive and easy to use, it just works, that's why I'll be getting another iPhone despite it's flaws.

I love my iDevices, but I'm under no illusions as to the flaws inherent in the devices, nor am I prepared to accept the contempt with which Apple treats it's customers.

For now I'll happily use what's on offer, but that won't stop me from being sorely disappointed by what could have been, had Apple thought less of profits and control and more of how to make their devices the best they could be.

YES. Pointed out perfectly. I have an IPAD 2 and I love it to bits.
The touch software is superb. The interface - while mostly useless for anything but activating apps is simplistic and understandably easy to use for the masses. That's a plus point. It's apps, when they work (which to be fair is *most* of the time) are generally great no doubt. Battery life is great.

The browser while it doesn't support flash is a thousand times better then IE. Although that's not saying a lot. Things that are also a thousand times better then IE includes things like having herpes or being on fire. Stuff like that.

But, the iPad has some serious usability flaws. The way pictures are managed as you mention is outright bloody stupid. Which colossal moron thought it would be a great idea to force an iPad to sync with a computer to manage pictures because I got it from my computer through that buggy heap of software junk called iTunes. Why can't I just delete it off my iPad? Why? Justify it?
Why do I have to create picture albums on my computer to create albums on my iPad? I can't just create them on the iPad and manage the pictures there? Why?

Before I figured out how to manage the pictures this drove me mad!

Other niggles include iTunes. Also, iTunes. Did I mention iTunes?
(OK, I'm being over the top about iTunes, but they really need to refine it.)

You mention the iPhone and its failings.

I was in the market for a new phone late last year and people I know talk about there iPhones like they are the light of the world, with its now tiny 3.5" screen. In regards to the iPhone... well it would be more of the same. Since I'm don't wear the rose-tinted Apple flavored goggles and refuse to subscribe to iSheep weekly. I went and got myself a HTC Sensation XL. Its android based naturally. Ive been using it now for 2 weeks and I have come to the conclusion that the phone has almost entirely made my iPad redundant. The customisation alone of the features to match your needs and wants is truly astonishing. The music software itself has retired both of my iPods and my iPad for music.

I could go on happily.

But, I'm not having a complete downer on Apple and its products. What they have achieve and brought to the masses is truly remarkable. They revolutionised mobile technology and brought out brilliant products. But, they just are not as perfect as people make them out to be.

In regards to the iPAD2 being best of a bad bunch scenario. I suggest looking into the Samsung Tab 10.1 and the new Asus Transformer Prime are excellent alternatives.

That being said the iPad3 will be announced this month. And then the cycle starts all over again.

[Omaroo (Chris Malikoff)]

Originally Posted by AG Hybrid

Since I'm don't wear the rose-tinted Apple flavored goggles and refuse to subscribe to iSheep weekly.

Not sure what you're trying to say here Adrian. There are MANY more users of Microsoft products out there in the world who have no idea why they're using them other than that's the way they were brought up. Equally ridiculous.

[irwjager (Ivo)]

Originally Posted by AG Hybrid

Things that are also a thousand times better then IE includes things like having herpes or being on fire. Stuff like that.

[Kevnool (Kev)]

This is just getting plain ridiculous now !!!

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

I think it is just great that we can choose to use Apple's methodology or choose one of the other methodologies out there, it is after all a free market.

I have an Android phone, but gave my wife an iPhone. Is one better than the other? Couldn't tell you, I won't use her iPhone, she won't use my Android. It is what we like personally.

But what I will tell you......... VMware products are great :-D

[Barrykgerdes]

Apple needs two things to make it great.

pie and cream!

Barry

[Omaroo (Chris Malikoff)]

Originally Posted by tlgerdes

But what I will tell you......... VMware products are great :-D

Dead right Trevor. I bought the latest version a little while back and it fair flies on my MacBook Air. You done good fellas.

[taxman (Matt)]

Haven't had anything more than a quick browse of the site for a while now only to see this rubbish. Getting clearer why I switched to cloudy nights.

Here's another exercise in futility: for all the arguments on this mind-numbing thread, substitute Apple for Muslim and Windows for Christian.

Grow up idiots.

[AG Hybrid (Adrian)]

Originally Posted by Barrykgerdes

Apple needs two things to make it great.

pie and cream!

Barry

/Thread.

We can close it on a high

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

Originally Posted by taxman

Haven't had anything more than a quick browse of the site for a while now only to see this rubbish. Getting clearer why I switched to cloudy nights.

Here's another exercise in futility: for all the arguments on this mind-numbing thread, substitute Apple for Muslim and Windows for Christian.

Grow up idiots.

Well I am sorry you missed the great LoveJoy Comet threads we have had here over the last month

[Barrykgerdes]

Originally Posted by taxman

Haven't had anything more than a quick browse of the site for a while now only to see this rubbish. Getting clearer why I switched to cloudy nights.

Here's another exercise in futility: for all the arguments on this mind-numbing thread, substitute Apple for Muslim and Windows for Christian.

Grow up idiots.

Killjoy!

This heading is to harmlessly let a few people let off steam and a better analogy would have been Holden v Ford to avoid religion

Barry

[iceman (Mike)]

Originally Posted by taxman

Haven't had anything more than a quick browse of the site for a while now only to see this rubbish. Getting clearer why I switched to cloudy nights.

Here's another exercise in futility: for all the arguments on this mind-numbing thread, substitute Apple for Muslim and Windows for Christian.

Grow up idiots.

LOL What a ridiculous thing to say. Don't like the thread, don't read it.

[AG Hybrid (Adrian)]

Originally Posted by iceman

LOL What a ridiculous thing to say. Don't like the thread, don't read it.

I was going to say something along these lines. More so towards "Feel free not to come back if that's the best you have to contribute". Or "Don't post if you don't like the topic".

[Omaroo (Chris Malikoff)]

Originally Posted by taxman

Haven't had anything more than a quick browse of the site for a while now only to see this rubbish. Getting clearer why I switched to cloudy nights.

Here's another exercise in futility: for all the arguments on this mind-numbing thread, substitute Apple for Muslim and Windows for Christian.

Grow up idiots.

And after all these posts - yours is the first to get nasty. Maybe stay over at Cloudy Nights then Matt - Pleasantville on steroids. Can't say a thing out of line over there. We're enjoying some spirited banter between friends here. Thanks for the input.... LOL