Need to know about UFO’s!!

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by avandonk

I do not bother to even read let alone answer these sort of posts. For all our rationalities some of we humans are really superstitious! Show me a body or any artefact of aliens. Sorry a spear does not count. Anal probe maybe? Why in the very complex mathematical Universe would an alien use an anal probe? Does he really think your brain is in your arse?

Bert

With this sort of thinking the Alien is correct!

I always wondered about folk who claim they have had such torment... and there are some who say they were abducted and probed... do they believe what they say... it is sad to think people can be so deluded.

So turn your radio to JJJ they are doing an end of the world thing 2012 is the date they are setting....a parade of sad folk who are so convinced.

I just found out that the reason we are naked is because that means we can be closer to God"....you learn something every day I guess.

AND God is intervening at the end will kill millions to save us

Nice photos also Bert.

alex

[astroron (Ron)]

As an astronomer of over twenty years , and have spent perhaps a thousand hours under the stars, I have yet to see anything that defies explanation.
As was said to me once by a UFO buff I will never see one because I don't believe, the I meaning me Ron, not the UFO buff.
Some of the stuff written on this question is just plain rediculous.
Just my two bobs worth, and is my last post on the matter.
Ron

[avandonk]

I do this for my own enjoyment AND everybody's.

Bert

Originally Posted by xelasnave

I always wondered about folk who claim they have had such torment... and there are some who say they were abducted and probed... do they believe what they say... it is sad to think people can be so deluded.

So turn your radio to JJJ they are doing an end of the world thing 2012 is the date they are setting....a parade of sad folk who are so convinced.

I just found out that the reason we are naked is because that means we can be closer to God"....you learn something every day I guess.

AND God is intervening at the end will kill millions to save us

Nice photos also Bert.

alex

[jungle11 (Greg)]

Originally Posted by astroron

As was said to me once by a UFO buff I will never see one because I don't believe.

Pretty dumb thing for a believer to say

yep, thats cool - I've spent lots of time looking up, not for ufos, just dreaming. Seen a few things that seemed wierd at first, but with a little scrutiny, easily explanable.
But I also think that, if planes and such didn't have running lights, you wouldn't see them either - ahh there's no help for me hehe..

[xelasnave]

Hey after that JJJ show I was listening to about Doomsdayers we need a new thread...

I felt intolerant at first then sorry for them...yes pity them was my final thought...

why do people have to think such crap... and if the end is coming why should one care for goodness sake... stuff happens.

alex

[Jen]

Who do you think makes all these dam clouds happen around here
when the clouds are out they are flying up there having a great time
ok i will be quiet now

[ngcles]

Hi Bill and All,

Hmmm ...

In response to what you have posted Bill I won't mock (this time) but will reproduce a quote from Phil Plait (The Bad Astronomer) in an email just the other day and it perfectly reflects my own attitude:


Now, let me make this as absolutely clear as possible (which will be to no avail, because I have been very clear before, and UFO proponents still manage to completely mangle what I’m saying): if you want me to think that UFOs are not just misidentified mundane objects, then all you have to do — and it really is this simple — is provide me with evidence.

Here, let me make this even clearer:

PROVIDE ME WITH EVIDENCE.

What do I count as evidence? Hard, physical data. Not eyewitness reports (because even the most highly-credentialed person in the world can misidentify something, or not understand what they are seeing, or may suffer from an episode, or decide to lie, or just be simply wrong). Not fuzzy photos. Not fuzzy video.

I want hard, physical data. I want an alien on the White House lawn. I want a piece of metal with clearly non-terrestrial isotope ratios of components, or be composed of some currently non-discovered element. I want some piece of predictive evidence — a map of an alien world that can eventually be verified, or an alien-given advance in physics that can later be verified with the LHC or some other cutting-edge technology. And nothing vague like "a unified field theory exists"; it has to be definite and precise, so that there is no controversy.

Do you think this is too demanding? I have news for you: you’re asking me to believe in something that will revolutionize all of human existence. I think demanding some actual evidence for such a thing is not only not too much to ask, but is to be demanded. (emphasis added)

I believe life in our Milky Way Galaxy is rare, and intelligent life is probably exceptionally rare -- I'd be surprised if there are more than say a dozen civilisations and it may be as few as one (ie us). Like so many here, I've been watching the sky very carefully for several decades -- many thousands of hours of observing with a (hopefully) objective eye, and I've never seen one thing I couldn't explain. I do not accept that there are alien space-ships visiting us, nor that there is a conspiracy(s) to cover it up.

The one other problem I have with the whole subject is this: They should not be called "UFOs". We have no proof on a vast number of occasions they are reported that they are "objects" nor that they are "flying". Instead, they should be called "Unidentified Ariel Sightings" or "UAS".

Best,

Les D

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Hey after that JJJ show I was listening to about Doomsdayers we need a new thread...

I felt intolerant at first then sorry for them...yes pity them was my final thought...

why do people have to think such crap... and if the end is coming why should one care for goodness sake... stuff happens.

alex

Alex, they think this sort of crap because their brains are vacant, their lives are boring and they want to create some drama and excitement in their lives.
They grasp on to superstitions, omens, horoscopes and pseudo sciences and allow themselves to be guided by them.
It's sad, because a lot of these people are quite intelligent, and given some education, could be set straight.
Hmmmm, but then again I could be wrong there, I was showing a local School teacher the conjunction the other night, and then she started rabbiting on about Astrology.

[jungle11 (Greg)]

Wish I could argue with that Les, but of course that quote is correct - whatever your personal beliefs. I don't think a lack of hard evidence rules out the possibility but by the same token - none of us are ever going to prove something as potentially important as visiting aliens without it.
I think if we were flying around buzzing aliens, we would make quite sure not to leave any hard evidence lying around - especially on a planet dominated by a species who might use technology gained to exploit each other. If they have been watching us - then they've already seen how close we've come to nuclear war on a couple of occasions over the last 60 years.

[billsmith]

yes i agree we and all need proof.



remember the employees that go around removing the trees from around the place.


this is one of the main reasons why we dont see or have enough physical proof..........its worth so much that many many complicated measures are employed to hush the existance.


remember people we aren't talking about a new toaster or electric shaver here....its revolutionising technology that will change the world as we know it.


whether you realise it or not...some of this tech has in the past 50 years been introduced into our daily lives without you knowing and passed of as inventions when in fact it was handed down to the manufacturers for domestisizing.


no, aliens will not land on the lawn of any colored house or what not.

its not allowed as far as protocol is concerned.


bob doesnt want the trees existance to be proved because the whole world would benefit.

Some interesting facts for you all


Close encounters of the 3rd kind, ET and Independance Day were all produced with objectives to see how the population after viewing these movies would react - This is fact.


Yes proof would be nice


Soon it will surface............................ ........................

[astroron (Ron)]

Bill Smith, What other conspiracy theories do you have?
You must have lots.

[jungle11 (Greg)]

Originally Posted by billsmith

yes i agree we and all need proof.

this is one of the main reasons why we dont see or have enough physical proof..........its worth so much that many many complicated measures are employed to hush the existance.

whether you realise it or not...some of this tech has in the past 50 years been introduced into our daily lives without you knowing and passed of as inventions when in fact it was handed down to the manufacturers for domestisizing.


no, aliens will not land on the lawn of any colored house or what not.

its not allowed as far as protocol is concerned.


bob doesnt want the trees existance to be proved because the whole world would benefit.

Some interesting facts for you all


Close encounters of the 3rd kind, ET and Independance Day were all produced with objectives to see how the population after viewing these movies would react - This is fact.

There's some pretty big statements there, and apart from your admission that we require proof, they sound to me very much like statements of fact. You think Steven Spielburg is an alien spy, or a government agent? Do you think velcro was discovered on an alien environment suit? Or computer chips? What makes you think we could even understan alien techmology that might well be many millenia more advanced than ours?

Sorry, perhaps I am mocking - but if all this stuff was hushed, then why is it written about in a hundred books, and pasted all over the internet?

Don't get me wrong, I think there's something to UFO's or UAV's as the RAAF refer to them, but I think you have to be carefull not to get sucked into some of the folklore. Because humans are big on faith and storytelling.

Sorry, don't want to offend, just be careful cause belief and faith can be powerful things.

[capella (Steve)]

What is this thread doing on IIS? This is utter drivel.
With all due respect I think these 'Ufologists' Knowledge of the universe and astronomy lays somewhere between haven't got a clue and no bleedin' idea, they can't tell an asteroid from a haemorrhoid (unless of course they are being anally probed).

Gawd help us,

Steve.

[jungle11 (Greg)]

If you don't like it, don't look at it.
This is General Chat anyways....

[capella (Steve)]

Originally Posted by jungle11

If you don't like it, don't look at it.
This is General Chat anyways....

General chat yes, utter drivel chat no.
I cannot believe in these enlightend times people believe in Alien UFO's.

Steve.

[jungle11 (Greg)]

Most who posted on this thread feel the same way as you, and state all manner of good reasons as to why they dont believe.
I wouldn't say we are enlightened when it comes to the possibility of intelligence other than our own in the galaxy.
However unlikely, it is possible

Anyways, I don't think it's hurting anybody, seems this thread is pretty popular. People should be free to chat about what they like (OK, maybe drugs would be stretching it.

I'm not religeous, but if somebody started a thread about it here, i would respect that

cheers

[capella (Steve)]

Originally Posted by jungle11

Most who posted on this thread feel the same way as you, and state all manner of good reasons as to why they dont believe.
I wouldn't say we are enlightened when it comes to the possibility of intelligence other than our own in the galaxy.
However unlikely, it is possible

Anyways, I don't think it's hurting anybody, seems this thread is pretty popular. People should be free to chat about what they like (OK, maybe drugs would be stretching it.

I'm not religeous, but if somebody started a thread about it here, i would respect that

cheers

Greg,
I have no issue with the possibility of life, intelligent or not 'out there' but....flying saucers
and yes I agree with you this has been a popular thread.

Steve

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by jungle11

Anyways, I don't think it's hurting anybody, seems this thread is pretty popular. People should be free to chat about what they like (OK, maybe drugs would be stretching it.

At least we know that the drugs are real . OK, yes, that would be stretching it..... then again some frequently get an approving mention .

[xelasnave]

I would like to think that what we may embrace here is simply to be able to consider posibilities...anyone who takes a stand and says something is a fact can be standing on dangerous ground... having said that I would be astounded if there was anyhting to all the stories in terms of other life visiting us...still it may be...

If there is something we should learn from history it is there have been times where something was unthinkable only to finally prove the norm...human flight for example... anyone suggesting such was posible only a short time ago would have been treated with a degree a contempt stronger than what the UFO folk probably get today...

History tells me although we think we are so clever other civilizations through out time also had a similar high opinion of their own importance and understanding of everything...well we are smart but what will future civilizations think of us... well let me venture a thought.... they may see us in the same manner as we say look at the old tomb builders of Eygypt.... they thought they were so cool and had all the answers but time has shown their intelectual arrogance to be stupid.

For those who think this thread is silly I think that is unfortunate and suggests that they miss the point I feel comes out of this thread... keep an open mind... and enjoy a chat...it is after all a chat.

But look at the following on this thread some folk must be getting some fun...so that is good.

AND to make it clear to those who cant find the tounge in cheek humour that I try to indulge I dont believe in anything but will hear it out...everyone is entitled to an opinion and it does not matter if they are right or wrong they can have their opinion it is that simple...

ANYWAYS I like this thread more so with this weather..its a pain isnt it?? the weather I mean.

alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by jjjnettie

Alex, they think this sort of crap because their brains are vacant, their lives are boring and they want to create some drama and excitement in their lives.
They grasp on to superstitions, omens, horoscopes and pseudo sciences and allow themselves to be guided by them.
It's sad, because a lot of these people are quite intelligent, and given some education, could be set straight.
Hmmmm, but then again I could be wrong there, I was showing a local School teacher the conjunction the other night, and then she started rabbiting on about Astrology.

Can you imagine what it is like to be in a community where astrology and strange beliefs is the norm...well I am in one..my mate who I sailed the boat for down from Brisbane reads tarot cards for example ..and the crazy lady who demands my time is into astrology...I roll up and it is..." oh my Jupiter is in your 5th house you are going to have a tuff week"..or whatever....

well I dont tell her she is stupid ..it is her opinion and she is entitled to it...I dont share it...and as hard as it is to accept not everyone thinks push gravity is the way it is...so who am I to judge.


but it is sad to see her governed by external forces she attributes to the motion of the planets simply because such an approach abdigates personal responsibility and that is the most dangerous thing for any human.

Funny I had a girl come up to me today asking if I had shot the Jupiter Venus Moon conjunction because she missed it ...so that was really outta place for Tabulam... but all the girls around here are into astrology and one gets labled with attributes given to star signs...

the crazy lady when she talks to my neighbour and my name comes up (rarely i HOPE) SAYS.. "Oh yes Alex he is a capricorn" as if that expalins why I am who I am....he has given up arguing and now lets her go... smart man for he can not win..and she is sad for that reason astrology lets her be a victim... I hate it when she says that "we" suited romantically because the stars say it..well I dont buy it and I am happy just being friends....and is that not typical capricorn for you

alex