Need to know about UFO’s!!

[Elmer]

Hi all, I have been just doing some research online for anything interesting related to the UFO’s , like any reports, findings, sightings and anything related to them. This is nothing like my job, but just an interest in the unknown world that has created an eager inside me to know about them. Do you people have anything that would interest my search on them?

[mick pinner]

if you mean spaceships with aliens imo they just don't exist. with all the cameras and videos in the world, not one piece of proof.

[jungle11 (Greg)]

You will never know for sure if they're real (I think) unless you see one in the flesh (which I haven't).
Might I add, there are tens of thousands of pictures, and thousands of videos of UFOs from around the world. There are radar sightings confirmed by civilian and military pilots, a few of the Appollo astronauts + a steady stream of astronauts up until the present. Mass sightings like the Belgium UFO, pheonix and countless others.

Look, some of this stuff may not be true -but all of it?

I think there's proberly plenty of 'proof' - but how can you know what is real and what isn't?

Maybe aliens seem like a long shot, but we just don't have the experience to judge how likely/unlikely a possibility it is that they are visiting us. Makes sense that an intelligent race would want to study another, especially when they (us) are just beginning to rise into a technological age.

Some people rule them out because of the lightspeed barrier, space being so vast, but once again -how do we know they are limited by physical laws? UFO's have been observed (on radar as well!) manouvering such that they must be circumventing the law of inertia, as if they have no mass!?!(right angle turns at thousands of km/h, accelerations that would rip a manmade aircraft apart - let alone the pilot) Not defying the law i doubt, but finding a way around it. So maybe they find ways around lightspeed as well.
Sounds like fantasy, because for us it is fantasy, but in another thousand years....? Like Jules Verne writing about a rocket to the moon not that long ago

Mate, I am a believer - no I can't prove it, no rectal probe r nothin/

Check out Bill Chalker on the net, should see a link to 'The Oz Files' which is the RAAF (Aussie) files on ufos from the 50s through to the 80's. Some pretty amazing stuff there. Just be mindfull that a lot of websites on the topic attract 'cranks' who 'want to believe' at all costs.

Happy hunting

[Bassnut (Fred)]

Your kidding right?. If they can travel faster than C (nothing else makes sense), then they are advanced enough to make themselves obvious (in a way we would comprehend) or totally invisible, by choice. If they wanted to make contact, why would they bother being obtuse ?.

[Ian Robinson]

No - they don't exist .

So I already know everything there is to know about UFOs.

Figments of imaginations.
Misidentified objects.
Hoaxes.
Attention seekers.
Did I miss anything .... ?

[Bassnut (Fred)]

Nice one Ian, smart man

[jungle11 (Greg)]

Originally Posted by Bassnut

Your kidding right?. If they can travel faster than C (nothing else makes sense), then they are advanced enough to make themselves obvious (in a way we would comprehend) or totally invisible, by choice. If they wanted to make contact, why would they bother being obtuse ?.

Yep, a fair and logical question

Perhaps they aren't interested in making contact? What could we possibly offer them. Just study I think.

Why would they bother making themselves invisible? We certainly aren't a threat to them.

Anyhow, I fully understand why many don't believe, and I respect that.

[Lee]

They are probably already among us..... trust no one!

[Karls48 (Karl)]

UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. And that’s exactly what it is. It could be some meteorological phenomena, electrostatic or any number of natural phenomena. Alien spaceships? Extremely unlikely. I have seen it few times in Europe and here in Australia. Fired couple shots at it when I was prospecting in Northern Queensland – no response whatsoever.

[Bassnut (Fred)]

Originally Posted by Karls48

UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object. And that’s exactly what it is. It could be some meteorological phenomena, electrostatic or any number of natural phenomena. Alien spaceships? Extremely unlikely. I have seen it few times in Europe and here in Australia. Fired couple shots at it when I was prospecting in Northern Queensland – no response whatsoever.

Sucker, they probably appreciated the shot as essential fuel to aid them to obliterate the earth .

[PeterM]

Originally Posted by Elmer

Hi all, I have been just doing some research online for anything interesting related to the UFO’s , like any reports, findings, sightings and anything related to them. This is nothing like my job, but just an interest in the unknown world that has created an eager inside me to know about them. Do you people have anything that would interest my search on them?

Yep I can help, welcome to Ice In Space,
Get involved in this incredible hobby, join a local club hire one of their telescopes and within a very short time you will find that with so many wonderful objects to look you will find this far more interesting than the hocus pocus of UFO's. Sincerely if more people know about astronomy and the sky then we would see less an less UFO reports, Oh, and one more thing just about everyone has a camera and video on their mobile phones so you would think there would have been an explosion of UFO reports when in fact it is exactly the opposite and that pretty much tells it like it is. Start your own voyage of discovery as I did 40 years ago and you won't look back and I guarantee you will not see one object you will end up calling a UFO.
PeterM

[Starman73]

Hi There,

Personally I believe there is probably alien life out there, they are just smarter than us, and I think that means they are not interested in us. Alternatively there is alien life out there, they are just far too less developed than us and haven't left their home planet yet, and still not interested in us.

Think about it, our TV signals that we unintentionally beam out to space so that anyone with the ability can pick it up are probably right now looking at vision on Adolf Hitler! Does that say come and visit our little cozy planet, we have fun here?

I have recently read a book by Seth Shostak called Sharing the Universe. This fellow for anyone who doesn't know is on of the SETI gurus. It is an excellent read, he sets out the case about alien life, what it means for us, the likelihood of it being out there and the chances that we have been visited, will be visited or are still being visited. He even looks at things like the likelihood of the appearance of the aliens, will the have 6 legs, 10 eyes and have green copper based blood, and if they can lay their eggs in our abdomens so that their young and rip their way out!!!!!

If you have any interest at all, I suggest that is book is a good read, even if you don't believe aliens are out there.

As far as UFO's visiting Earth, I have been to Wycliff Well (Can't remember the spelling and couldn't be bothered getting up to get out the map), the UFO capital of Australia, there is nothing but a roadhouse, caravan park and pub there. Sure it may be close to a couple of sensative military operations, but why would aliens who can travel millions of km, who would have much higher tecnology then us, be interested in our weapons and military hardware? I have also travelled the Nullarbor Plain, no aliens there either.

Take care all, and look at all cuts and scratches on your skin with care!!

Paul

[jjjnettie (Jeanette)]

I reckon there is life, intelligent life on other planets.
But have they ever visited the Earth? Much as I'd like to think that they have/will, (I'm a great sci fi fan) deep down I know that they haven't.

[PeterM]

True, there may well be other life in the universe, would be a waste of space to quote others if there wasn't -though impossible unlikely it would resemble us I thinks, you know evolution and all that. I don't think you can put Seth Shostak and UFOs together in the same sentence, paragraph or book, that just doesn't work. Many years ago through the Australian skeptics (and I am not a member) I met Robert Schaeffer and I was totally engrossed by his incredibly thorough research - if you really want to read the facts that have been thoroughly researched on all the classic UFO cases then google him and have a read, this guy is amazing. I am sorry but I and a few others have been the cause of many UFO reports over Brisbane in the 80s and 90s - white helium ballons with zylume sticks inside, etc etc all reported on the radio as UFOs over Brisbane over those years. I was also at the Mt Barney astrocamp years ago where some 30 amateurs witnessed 4 bits of space debris that entered the Earth's atmosphere only to be reported as nothing less than UFO's, what else could they be? Myself and another amateur on hearing this drove to the nearest police station and reported the space debris on the radio and the next thing we read in the papers is that 40 amateur astronomers also saw the UFOs, to those who must believe you can never win. Again I say get those people involved in knowing the sky and they will soon realise what a load of codswhallop this is and maybe enjoy the sky for what it is. I have stacks more of supposed UFO's that were easily explained but bamboozled many or wrre just plain joshing, but I have bored you enough.
PeterM

[Clarry (Clayton)]

It must be close to 100 years now since people apparently started seeing, photographing and reporting UFO sightings. Yet in all this time we still have no firm proof of their existence. I personally find it very hard to believe in them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we are the only inhabited planet in all of space. When you think that you could take all of our universe and scale it down to the size of a pin head, and yet still it would be surrounded by infinite space filled with infinite galaxies, then it makes it difficult to suppose that we are the only ones here.
No, it's not the existence of other beings that I doubt, it's just whether or not they have visited us that I question. I try thinking of it the other way around. If we had the capability of traveling vast distances to other worlds, then when we got there we discovered they were less advanced than us, would we spend 100 years just zipping to and fro in their air space every now and then. I think not. I think we would land in their equivalent of Central Park and announce ourselves. Yet some people obviously believe that aliens have been stealthily creeping around our skies for that long. Perhaps they're vastly intelligent but extremely shy & timid.
There's also the distance factor to consider. Our nearest stellar system is Alpha Centauri. It's 4.35 light years away. So if you lived in that system and could travel at the speed of light, it would take you 4.35 years just to get here. And for what? To shadow a Cessna across the Pacific then head home again. "See you guys, just popping over to Earth. Be back in 9 years, provided my lightdrive doesn't play up."
On top of that, we're pretty sure there's no advance life in that system anyway, so the surreptitious aliens would have to have come from much further away than 4.35 ly. Way too far for a joy ride. Face it, we have not been visited & there is a very good chance we never will be.

[Ford Prefect (James)]

Well, much as I'm a skeptic as anyone else, aren't we forgetting the fact that we don't understand much about wormholes (if they exist), and it's in these uncharted waters of physics that may lie the answer to interstellar travel?



I don't know anything more than the average layman about this stuff, so I'm happy to be shot down (har har) by a physicist who knows better. I do recall Dr Karl Kruzeniski postulating that the knowledge that comes out of the LHC experiments over the next couple of decades may solve some of these mysteries. He was even suggesting that it may tell us how to lose our mass (thanks to the Higgs Boson), which may facilitate faster than C travel.

Whilst I too am a skeptic, I also know that we don't know everything yet

And for all we know, we're just some big ecological experiment

[rat156]

There is no life in the universe.

It can be proved mathematically.

To paraphrase Douglas Adams...

Space is infinite. There are an infinite number of stars, many of which have planets, so there are an infinite number of planets. We know of a few which don't have life, therefore there is a finite number of planets with life. If you divide any finite number by infinity the result is zero. So the probability that there is life on any planet is zero.

Seen plenty of UFO's, no aliens though. I'm sure someone can identify them, but to me they're UFO's.

Cheers
Stuart

[Clarry (Clayton)]

Originally Posted by Ford Prefect

aren't we forgetting the fact that we don't understand much about wormholes (if they exist),

That's just it, we don't even know if they exist at all so why bother speculating that they could be used for traveling great distances. To me it's like religion, People think that because we can't prove something does not exist, then that automatically means it does exist. I say no, show me an alien or show me an omnipotent being & I'll believe.

[jungle11 (Greg)]

Without speculation how would science progress? Would it have even begun in the first place? Wormholes may not exist, but if nobody theorises or speculates about the possibility, then we will never know either way. If the first astronomers didn't speculate we wouldn't have astronomy today...

(perish the thought!)

[jungle11 (Greg)]

Originally Posted by rat156

There is no life in the universe.

It can be proved mathematically.

To paraphrase Douglas Adams...

Space is infinite. There are an infinite number of stars, many of which have planets, so there are an infinite number of planets. We know of a few which don't have life, therefore there is a finite number of planets with life. If you divide any finite number by infinity the result is zero. So the probability that there is life on any planet is zero.

Seen plenty of UFO's, no aliens though. I'm sure someone can identify them, but to me they're UFO's.

Cheers
Stuart

So how does earth fit into that theory Stuart? In an infinite universe, even if life wasn't present on every planet, there would still be infinite number of planets with life. Any fraction of infinity is still infinite.