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Old 27-03-2012, 08:56 AM
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Reinstalling Windows on an OEM laptop

Hi guys

My Toshiba laptop is a bit over 1.5 years old, and it had Windows 7 setup pre-installed. That is, when you start the laptop for the first time, Windows is installed and you choose 32 or 64bit etc.

I chose 32bit at the time.

Now, 1.5 years later, it's starting to run like a dog, especially when using Photoshop, Lightroom etc, and there's an increasing number of Windows updates that fail to install (currently about 25).

I'd like to do a fresh clean install, and probably install 64 bit, but I don't have the Windows 7 CD so I'm wondering if I can re-install? Is the CD KEY on the bottom of the laptop?

What do I need to be careful of?

I really don't want to have to re-install everything, but it's getting so slow I don't have much choice. The larger file sizes of the 5D Mark II images are killing it.

Also, do I even need to bother with 64 bit if my laptop only has 4gig of RAM?
Isn't 64 bit for addressing RAM over 4gig?
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Old 27-03-2012, 10:10 AM
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Hi Mike

Your laptop should have a recovery folder (it may be hidden, there are ways to find it if your instruction book hasn't told you how) to allow you to start all over again but it will not normally save anything you have added. Copy your User folder to another drive or computer and any other important files as well. They can be written back to the "new" installation.

As for the key you should not need it but it probably won't be the the same as on that label. None of mine ever are.

To find your key I have attached the keyfinder program in case you have not got it. It will find your Windows 7 key and MSofice keys as well

Your computer has probably got Norton antivirus on it and a lot of other garbage that are notorious for making a computer go slow. A good clean up of programs you don't use and registry may get your speed back.

I am not sure about your 32/64 bit option. I have a dual core AMD with 4GB of RAM running Win7 64 bit. It dual boots to WinXP as well. I have some 64 bit programs on Win7 with 32 bit versions on XP and there is no obvious difference in performance.

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Old 27-03-2012, 10:10 AM
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Hi Mike,

With 4gig of memory you are not getting full use with 32bit as it can only use 3.25 gig of ram. If you have a friend with an OEM version of Win 7 and the sticker on the bottom of the laptop has the code you can reinstall if you don't have the sticker you can install and run Belark Advisor a free program that you can download and it will give you all the product keys of the software installed on your computer including Windows.
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Old 27-03-2012, 10:14 AM
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The CD key should be on the bottom of the laptop, you should also be able to create an install CD from the files on the machine, most OEM laptops have this option buried away somewhere, which brand is it?

32bit means you only see 3.25GB of your 4GB of RAM, so if you don't need that extra half a gig or so, and have no intention of adding more RAM you can stick with 32bit.

As for things to watch out for, if you can't make a CD of the install from your current machine, get the SATA drivers ready ahead of time in case you have to load them during install. Especially if installing using AHCI for the HDD. Much easier to download all the drivers for your machine now and put them on a CD.
Especially the network drivers, as you will need them before you can connect to the internet to download the rest!

I tend to download all the drivers ahead of time, that way if it takes a while to find one, you are not trying to do so on a half-functioning machine.

Other things are the usual, make sure you have you internet and mail logons and passwords, use a disk image program to back up to an external drive so you can do a full restore if it all goes pear shaped, and get together a list of the software and their codes etc. that you need to do your reinstallations.

I usually also download the latest versions and have all my utility software ready to install from a CD so they are all in one place (winrar, foxit PDF reader, browser install etc.)

That is about it really!

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Old 27-03-2012, 11:35 AM
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Mike,

Most of the big brands have a recovery partition from which you can recover the original installation ... although painful it can be worth the effort returned in machine speed.

64 bit can be an advantage, but check everything you need to have working has a 64 bit driver first (can be problematic with some older hardware and devices).

Othewise - I can thoroughly recommend 64 bit - it sings - especially in programs written with a 64 bit version such as some photoshop versions.

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Old 27-03-2012, 11:57 AM
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Been there, did that. Most of laptops with Windows will have an option of creating recovery disk Start/Programs/Recovery manager/Recovery disk creation. You will need 2-3 empty DVD-Rs for that. When you have the disk, put it in the DVD drive on boot-up and follow prompts. Easy! Hurry while your system still works and you are able to make the disk. If it crashes restoration process depends on some variables and becomes a lottery.

P.S. The laptop end up in 'like new' state - so make sure you backup all your data and have all distributives.
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Old 27-03-2012, 12:52 PM
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OK Mike here is what to do. If you have trouble with this you can PM and i will phone you or me and I will guide you. At startup keep pressing F8 untill a screen apears giving you boot options. At the top should be an option to repair. Select that and wait a while. It should then ask a few questions like what keybourd etc (us). Then you will get another menu that will give you the option for a toshiba system restore. You will need to select this and choose restore to factory status. Some menus may be a little different but you will see what to do. Then the recovery will start with the same option as when you first set the system up.

Also you should have an icon on your desktop to create recovery disks. If not you may find it in the start menu. In the odd Toshiba you may find a recovery section in the start menu also.

Thier are othe ways of forcing a recovery, and I am happy to talk you through if needed. Oh yes I do this as Job , and no you wont be charged LOL



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Old 27-03-2012, 12:53 PM
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OK Mike here is what to do. If you have trouble with this you can PM and i will phone you or me and I will guide you. At startup keep pressing F8 untill a screen apears giving you boot options. At the top should be an option to repair. Select that and wait a while. It should then ask a few questions like what keybourd etc (us). Then you will get another menu that will give you the option for a toshiba system restore. You will need to select this and choose restore to factory status. Some menus may be a little different but you will see what to do. Then the recovery will start with the same option as when you first set the system up.

Also you should have an icon on your desktop to create recovery disks. If not you may find it in the start menu. In the odd Toshiba you may find a recovery section in the start menu also.

Thier are othe ways of forcing a recovery, and I am happy to talk you through if needed. Oh yes I do this as Job , and no you wont be charged LOL



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Old 27-03-2012, 03:36 PM
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Mike, as Warren says 32 bit Windows can only use 4GB, less the memory for video and the BIOS for all your hardware. If you have a 1GB video (like this ThinkPad does) you can't even get 3GB.

Switching to 64 bit takes the video and BIOS out of the equation and you can use all 4GB, but with the 64 bit addresses requiring twice as much memory to hold them you will lose out on a bit.

Does your Toshiba support more than 4GB? Maybe 6 or 8GB? You can never have too much memory.
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Old 27-03-2012, 10:42 PM
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Mike, Martin is on the money with the recovery disk set, we have several Toshi's at work and have created disk sets using that option. In addition to an extra 4Gb of ram (if possible), changing the HDD to an SSD would also give it a massive boost.
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Old 27-03-2012, 10:55 PM
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Windows still sounds like such fun!
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Old 28-03-2012, 05:19 AM
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Thanks for all the advice guys, heaps of things to try.

I think I'm maxed out on memory already with 4G but will check if I can put 8 in it.
It's a Satellite L650D.

I need to backup all my data first. I need another external HDD.. at least 100GB to backup.
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Old 28-03-2012, 07:17 AM
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If you're doing a full reinstall, maybe consider partitioning the disk with a separate partition for your data so next time this happens you only have to reinstall windows and your programs, but your data is safely separate.
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I think you can go to 8GB
http://www.crucial.com/store/listpar...567%29&Cat=RAM

But I'd need the full model number to be sure.

If you are buying RAM, I can't recommend buying Crucial RAM enough, it is a little bit more, but I spend a huge portion of my life troubleshooting laptops, and have lost count of the amount of times replacing the RAM has solved their problems. Many respected brands I have had endless trouble with, I have never, and I do mean never had a single problem with Crucial RAM, in literally thousands of machines over my career.

Oh, and here is how to restore your machine to its original state.
http://aps2.toshiba-tro.de/kb0/HTD1303440001R01.htm
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After a very frustrating hour or two with Photoshop and an extremely slow laptop, I've started the process..

Well, starting to start the process

Have enough space on the home laptop to use as my backup, and will start copying the 200+ GB overnight.

Have ordered 8GB crucial RAM (2x 4GB DIMMS). It's a shame that international shipping is US$25!

Will then do the recovery option from the BIOS and start re-installing things one by one.. what a pain.

I just can't keep it like it is though. I can't afford a new laptop even though I want one, and I can't stand the frustration of trying to use Photoshop with the larger image files of the 5DMk2. It wasn't nearly as frustrating with the Canon 40D files, but this takes me over the edge

8GB RAM plus a fresh install will hopefully keep me going for a while.
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Old 08-04-2012, 12:23 PM
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btw thanks for all the advice and help.

It's reassuring to know that there's people I can call on for help if things go pear shaped
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Not sure how you're backing up Mike, but might be an idea to do a full disk image as well, just in case you get stuck anywhere and just "want to go home". Really handy to save a basic re-install image with essential programs on a 2nd partition as Troy suggested too if you have space to make a reinstall quicker in the future.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:48 AM
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After a very frustrating hour or two with Photoshop and an extremely slow laptop, I've started the process..

Well, starting to start the process

Have enough space on the home laptop to use as my backup, and will start copying the 200+ GB overnight.

Have ordered 8GB crucial RAM (2x 4GB DIMMS). It's a shame that international shipping is US$25!

Will then do the recovery option from the BIOS and start re-installing things one by one.. what a pain.

I just can't keep it like it is though. I can't afford a new laptop even though I want one, and I can't stand the frustration of trying to use Photoshop with the larger image files of the 5DMk2. It wasn't nearly as frustrating with the Canon 40D files, but this takes me over the edge

8GB RAM plus a fresh install will hopefully keep me going for a while.


Hi,


Look your biggest problem with your PC isn't how much RAM you have, 4GB is more than enough for photo editing, if you look I doubt you would exceed that in the system resources.

That said a 64 bit OS with 8GB ram will run better than your current setup for photo editing, so that is a good move. But you can't do is the way you are trying to, ie you can't use the 'recovery' option. It's funny because I just replied to a similar post, and 99% applies to your situation. So I'm just going to paste it and fix it up a bit for your situation.




I saw you mention you want a new laptop but can't afford it, well thats OK, but seriously a 1.5 yr old laptop isn't old! I think you'd find the actual specs are pretty much the same as current market laptops. The processors would be the same, the ram would be the same (or 8GB which is what you are doing anyway).

So what's the point of buying a new laptop?

You are much better off spending $100-200 and buying a Solid State drive, or SSD.


http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...ducts_id=19276

The 60GB models are about half as cheap, and for most people 60gb is more than enough for the OS (say about 10gb-20 for win 7)

They are super easy to swap out.

I don't know what model you have, but this should give you an idea, but if you can swap the RAM you can swap a hard disk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPeDh...eature=related



Having a 'smaller' C:\ drive is actually a good thing, because it will force you to store your data on an external drive, which you should then backup again depending on how serious you are. I have a 120GB ssd and then a 1TB in my desktop.

I cannot state the huge improvement in everything the laptop does, that you will get by putting an SSD in it. Even most in market laptops dont come with an SSD as a stock option yet, they are starting to come as options though. But it will boot faster, programs will start faster, programs will run better and faster, you can transfer files faster, everything you can imagine will run better with an SSD.

You could remove the DVD drive on the laptop (get a cheap external USB drive) and then you'd have space for a larger normal mechanical drive, if you wanted in the future.


2) Install the OS. Even if you don't have the media you can still install windows 7. There should be a sticker on the laptop which has your product key. Find out which version your license if for (Professional, home premium etc), then download the ISO here, just make sure you get the x64 version:

http://www.mydigitallife.info/window...-home-premium/


Once you've got the ISO downloaded, you need to make a bootable USB disk. Get a USB stick with over 4GB of space on it. Then use this tool to make a bootable disk, its basically the same as having win 7 on a DVD, but on a USB stick instead.

http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/...usbdvd_dwnTool

It's very easy to use. Heres a video of guy using it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up6pjd5wMjA

Just make sure you don't have any other USB devices like external drives etc plugged in because you might accidentally wipe the wrong drive! (I've done this before)

You can do all this before you take out the old hard drive and put the SSD in. So now you should swap the SSD in and the RAM. Make sure you've got the battery out while doing this (also your product key may be under the battery sometimes they put it there).


Now plug the USB into the laptop and turn it on. Watch the post screen because it will show you which key to enter boot menu. It's easier than changing the bios, because it just lets you change which device the laptop boots first from, for one time only. It might be F2, F10, F12 or even ESC. Just look up the manual for your PC. You will see a list of boot options like, Hard drive, DVD drive, but the one you want will be "USB HDD" Or something like that, just keep trying until you see "Windows is loading Files" start.

Now follow the prompts and install windows 7. Windows will scan your hardware and install 90% of the drivers you need. You may need to download and install some others after windows has started, like WIFI for example, it just depends on the model. Check in device manager to see which devices have not had their drivers installed, but generally the only drivers I would bother with getting from the manufactures site would be:

Video and
Network (IE Wifi etc)

Activate windows using your product key under the laptop!



All that might sound complicated but it really isn't. It would take you maybe 2 hours to do it, if that. I work at a large company in IT, and I reguarly do this to old laptops, for example one model I've been upgrading is a Dell D520, which is probably 3-4 years old. It's only got a dual core processor, and usually only have 1-2GB of ram. But once I stick an SSD in it and put windows 7 on it they are faster than most new laptops.

To give you a number typically mechanical drives can transfer data around 100 megabyte per second.

An SSD is capable of up to 500.

If you have any questions just PM me etc I don't mind helping!


But getting an SSD and reinstalling from scratch, added to the 64bit OS and 8GB ram your laptop will be literally faster than most new laptops all but for the very expensive ones.
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Old 09-04-2012, 05:25 PM
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I'm interesting in finding out more about this.

There's a load of SSD's here: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?...&cPath=210_902

How do I know which ones are compatible with my Toshiba L650D?
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Mike as far as I know SSD's are compatible with pretty well anything that has SATA, Win 7 has some settings for SSD use, not sure whether they have to be manually set or automatically detect and set up for the SSD when installed. Perhaps someone could fill in the gaps.
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