A Possible Cure for Cancer!

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #1 12-08-2011, 02:28 AM

The results of a 12 month test have been released.

Leukemia patients with only weeks to live were injected and all but one was TOTALLY cancer free in 3 weeks! The other person is 70% cancer free.

Strangely, the research was based around the Aids virus!

They get an Aids infected cell, and alter the HIV & Aids parts and add bits to search & kill cancer cells.
The Aids virus is good at taking over blood cells so the altered virus cells enter the patients blood cells (like it would if it was still an Aids virus) and plays Seek & Destroy!
But this time it seeks and destroys cancerous cells.
The HIV and Aids parts don't work any more, so they can't harm you.

The patients lost on average more than one kilogram of cancer cells each. Gone. Totally eradicated from their bodies! In only 2 weeks. Cured!!!

They say it will work on Leukemia, Lung cancer, Bowel cancer etc etc.

As I find out more about this exciting news I will post it here with links!

supernova1965 (Warren) · #2 12-08-2011, 06:23 AM

WOW I am excited by this can't wait to hear more about this

bojan · #3 12-08-2011, 06:40 AM

Like in SF novel, huh ?
(I 've read one back in '60-ties, about modified virus that cures illness and also rejuvenates - the patient was physically 30 years younger after the treatment. Ben Bova wrote something similar in one of his novels... nanomachines were involved. BTW,what's the difference between nanomachines and artificial viruses? To me, it's almost the same thing..)

Quite plausible, though.
Hopefully, it's not a hoax

adman (Adam) · #4 12-08-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bojan

what's the difference between nanomachines and artificial viruses? To me, it's almost the same thing..)

I have often wondered what is the difference between a real virus and a computer virus - and really, there is not much. They are both methods of transmitting information about how to replicate themselves. The one major difference is that the real virus is able to change its own 'code' by natural selection, whereas the computer virus (mostly) relies on a programmer to do the same.

there are many people who argue that viruses should not be considered 'life' - but are a gray area between alive and not-alive. You could argue the same thing for computer viruses.

but whatever - what a fantastic breakthrough - lets hope it passes all the hurdles to get it out of the lab.

You don't have link to the story do you Ken?

Adam

spacezebra (Petra) · #5 12-08-2011, 08:57 AM

Thanks Ken for posting.

Having just lost my sister to cancer, I am pleased to see progress in this field. I look forward to the day when a cure for cancer is as simple as taking an aspirin for a headache.

Cheers Petra d.

Terry B · #6 12-08-2011, 09:26 AM

As someone that works in the medical industry I find it surprising that the first time I hear of this marvel is as a post on the astronomy forum.
Somehow I think that there isn't a lot of reality behind the story.

renormalised (Carl) · #7 12-08-2011, 09:28 AM

This is great news. I only hope it's not another one of these "will take 10 years to come to normal use" and then disappear from sight. Too many promising medical breakthroughs have gone that way. This, if it works as well as it seems, needs to be brought out as soon as possible.

bojan · #8 12-08-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry B

As someone that works in the medical industry I find it surprising that the first time I hear of this marvel is as a post on the astronomy forum.
Somehow I think that there isn't a lot of reality behind the story.

This only means we are very multi-disciplinary oriented people

It was also on the morning TV news today (7)

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #9 12-08-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by spacezebra

Thanks Ken for posting.

Having just lost my sister to cancer, I am pleased to see progress in this field. I look forward to the day when a cure for cancer is as simple as taking an aspirin for a headache.

Cheers Petra d.

Wow Petra. I'm so sorry to hear this.

Shano592 (Shane) · #10 12-08-2011, 09:44 AM

Terry, what are your thoughts on Vitamin C therapy - where very high doses (up to 200g per day) of Vitamin C are intravenously sent into the body?

It is an illegal procedure in the US (as is growing your own fresh vegetables, in some areas), and I'm not sure about Australia, but I have seen "documentaries" about people who have done it, and the cancers are gone within 12 weeks.

They have all gone down to Ecuador to get the treatment done, as no US registered doctor will perform it.

The modified HIV-type virus is a little worrying. What happens if it's programming starts identifying other cells as cancerous? They should really have a kill code in each one, to terminate it after a set amount of time.

Robh (Rob) · #11 12-08-2011, 10:04 AM

More here ...
http://penncancer.org/penn_news.cfm?ID=1610

Interesting video at bottom. Research and clinical testing funded purely by academic centre and philanthropy and not pharmaceutical companies.

Regards, Rob.

renormalised (Carl) · #12 12-08-2011, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Robh

More here ...
http://penncancer.org/penn_news.cfm?ID=1610

Interesting video at bottom. Research and clinical testing funded purely by academic centre and philanthropy and not pharmaceutical companies.

Regards, Rob.

That's good new, Rob. Might mean this is being done for the right reasons and not for power and profit.

Terry B · #13 12-08-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shano592

Terry, what are your thoughts on Vitamin C therapy - where very high doses (up to 200g per day) of Vitamin C are intravenously sent into the body?

It is an illegal procedure in the US (as is growing your own fresh vegetables, in some areas), and I'm not sure about Australia, but I have seen "documentaries" about people who have done it, and the cancers are gone within 12 weeks.

They have all gone down to Ecuador to get the treatment done, as no US registered doctor will perform it.

The modified HIV-type virus is a little worrying. What happens if it's programming starts identifying other cells as cancerous? They should really have a kill code in each one, to terminate it after a set amount of time.

A few points
Cancer isn't one disease so sweeping statements about a "cure for cancer" is misleading at best and an outright lie at worst.
Almost all cancers are essentially dieseases where our immune system doesn't recognise abnormally growing cells as abnormal and doesn't attack them. Giving mega doses of a vitamin is unlikely to magically kick start the immune system to recognise the diseased cells and "cure" the cancer.
There is a thing called "Evidence Based Medicine". If there is no evidence that a treatment works when compared to placebo or other treaments then it probably shouldn't be used. There is a reason that the treament mentioned isn't used as there is no good evidence that it works.
A definition I heard of "alternate medicine" is that it is a treatment that doesn't work because if it worked it wouldn't be alternate medicine but mainstream treament.

bojan · #14 12-08-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry B

'' it is a treatment that doesn't work because if it worked it wouldn't be alternate medicine but mainstream treatment.

Very good definition

Same or similar may be applicable to other "alternative sciences"

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #15 12-08-2011, 11:13 AM

I'll believe it's true when it's offered as treatment in our hospitals.
I'm highly skeptical of ALL professed cures for cancer. Giving false hopes to those with the disease is the height of cruelty.
You would not believe how many snake oil merchants are out there selling their quack cures to the desperate. And they'll produce all sorts of official looking reports and documents to back their claims so you'll purchase their Dandelion Tea, Almond kernels, Homeopathy waters or whatever "cure" they happen to have this week.
As I said to Petra the other day, I'll bet you any amount of money, that if these scum of the earth had the disease, they wouldn't be treating themselves with their own potions. They'd be heading straight for the nearest Hospital for treatment.

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #16 12-08-2011, 11:19 AM

Ha...touched a nerve there didn't it.

bojan · #17 12-08-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jjjnettie

Ha...touched a nerve there didn't it.

Maybe, but still you are quite right, most of those are the worst scum.
The same may be applicable to media as well .. they feed on news like that, they should know better.

spacezebra (Petra) · #18 12-08-2011, 12:04 PM

Thank you for your thoughts Chris and thank you to all that emailed me privately.

It was a long hard battle for her, but thankfully now, no more pain. The world has lost a very talented lady.

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Originally Posted by Omaroo

Wow Petra. I'm so sorry to hear this.

Regards Petra d.

TrevorW · #19 12-08-2011, 12:08 PM

I don't think I know of anyone who hasn't had someone they know or love affected by cancer in one form or another, it's such an insidious desease, like MS which they are also working towards finding a cure for, let's hope this isn't just another storm in a teacup.

Omaroo (Chris Malikoff) · #20 12-08-2011, 12:22 PM

I seem to recall only a few short years ago that the researchers who suddenly announced a preventative cure for cervical cancer were booed and sullied too.

It's now standard practise.

Are we calling this HIV-derived treatment "snake oil" or just the vitamin C claim?

The HIV as cancer therapy research has been going on for some time, and I can find reference to it going back at least six years: http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/con...5/s1303130.htm