No I just refuse to be suckered in by all the hype that's all, I don't think I've missed the point (ie: it's not meant ot be a PC or tablet PC as such) I however do believe in value for money and I don't consider the Ipad value for money.
Also I don't think they have sold as well as anticipated based on personal observations such as the lack of communters in Perth that I've seen with one on the train each day, seen more Ebook readers than Ipads and the Ipads users I have seen maybe two since so far both had difficulty reading the screen on the train during daylight hours
But I suppose it's hard to convince die hard Apple supporters otherwise, just my opinion thats all
Yes, it's just your opinion, I know. Bad Apple! - making things that work well and are popular. Tisch,tisch. "Can't see the value" is merely an uninformed opinion.
I get that you don't like them, and I guess that I don't really care. I am, however, becoming a little tired of the same people insinuating that Apple iPad and iPhone users are somehow mindless "suckers", and have been taken in and are at fault for it. Snore...! We use these devices because we probably find them better for what we do than anything else out there. They're not for everyone, and they're not being touted as such. There will be a number who think that they're nothing more than fashionable, but so be it - leave them alone. It's their issue.
In business and pleasure, I find the iPad in particular a brilliant asset. I'm sorry for that. Not. Last time I looked on Android Market there was one astro app. A whole app! Yay. Apple store? Hundreds. Go figure.
If you actually used one for a while...but hey... you wouldn't, huh. Come to Sydney and sit on a train into the city - they're everywhere. I use mine to read ebooks quite successfully on the train when I take one - so maybe your sun is brighter in Perth?
a) they are releasing a newer version so soon, is this a case of trying to get one up on the competiiton soon too enter the market
b) the newer version will come in two screen sizes and have improved screen resolution etc possibly a carbon fibre body
c) the hardware complexity of an Ipad does not surpass that of a laptop or PC yet price wise it's up there
No doubt the Ipad does admirably what it is meant to do.
I'v been an IPod touch owner for nearly 2 years (after trying many other brands beforehand) and I like the touch feature provided so I have had some experience with Apple gear but
a) I find the screen to small for any signifcant game of movie playing
b) I use it for music only which it does admirably although I've had issues with the shuffle feature, the touch screen on occassions and the earphones supplied are useless IMO
I also like the look and feel of Mac computers and screens although pricey in comparison with other PC's
No I don't consider all Apple user's as suckers , likewise I don't consider all Microsoft users as suckers although they've been doing a good job of getting money out of us for years
Real reason is that Apple feel under pressure. They've had a comfortable lead for a while, but Micro$oft, Google & RIM are closing in...
Next year we'll have new devices from all four... the iPhone5 and iPad II are required steps in Apples plan to maintain their current level. They can not increase market share, as the only way to go from the top is down...
<Late Edit: Forgot to mention... girl in my office just got a new phone. HTC Desire HD [Android based]... runs circles around the iPhone and a bigger screen as well... I still think Apple has the edge, but I'd be worried if I had Apple shares... For the record, I'm a BlackBerry Fan>
Nothing comes close to the Apple user interface experience.
Android schmandroid.
Trevor: releasing a new item each year is not a new decision. It's been going on for years. Same with the iPod's, iPhone's, iMac's, MacBook's, MacBook Pro's, etc.
Nothing comes close to the Apple user interface experience.
As for the Apple Experience... The HTC GUI feel is identical to the iPhone ( I compared it to another co-workers iPhone4 )... It's my understanding that HTC plan to include the "Cube" as an interface soon.
a) they are releasing a newer version so soon, is this a case of trying to get one up on the competiiton soon too enter the market
Umm, they're releasing a new model exactly one year after the original one (just like with all iPhones so far). In this industry I don't consider a yearly model cycle a weakness or sign of insecurity. Do you?
Real reason is that Apple feel under pressure. They've had a comfortable lead for a while, but Micro$oft, Google & RIM are closing in...
Next year we'll have new devices from all four...
Plenty of new tablets have been announced for next year - exactly like a year ago. None of them have materialised, with one exception: the Samsung Galaxy Tab. You can buy one for $840 if you consider it better than the iPad.
a) they are releasing a newer version so soon, is this a case of trying to get one up on the competiiton soon too enter the market
I don't see that as a problem or admission of anything other than... well.. this is what they do - release a new model every year. Good on them! That's how dynamic Apple are - it's why they now lead. Development is good for the consumer - I certainly don't consider it a sign of weakness. Strong sales fund development - simple. Get one up on the competition... well..yes - that's what business is all about. Maybe Apple should back off for a while and let those that didn't have the great idea first catch up....?
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b) the newer version will come in two screen sizes and have improved screen resolution etc possibly a carbon fibre body
All good improvements - except the jury is out on 7". I had a 7" Android tablet device for a week and found it utterly useless. Its aspect ratio was wrong for reading books and in landscape mode there wasn't enough depth to make web browsing pleasurable. I gave it to my younger brothers son. What a clunky thing it was. No really useful software yet either.
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c) the hardware complexity of an Ipad does not surpass that of a laptop or PC yet price wise it's up there
How do you know that Trevor? Were you on the engineering team? The development costs and complexity involved in delivering such a device must be, well, enormous. A statement like that simply indicates a lack of understanding. Laptops have been around for ages - new ones are all just slight improvements on the last - nothing new for decades. A successful tablet design....well.. there's never been one until now. As with all new technology - it's expensive to begin with - and it IS still new technology.
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No doubt the Ipad does admirably what it is meant to do.
I'v been an IPod touch owner for nearly 2 years (after trying many other brands beforehand) and I like the touch feature provided so I have had some experience with Apple gear but
a) I find the screen to small for any signifcant game of movie playing
b) I use it for music only which it does admirably although I've had issues with the shuffle feature, the touch screen on occassions and the earphones supplied are useless IMO
a) Hence the iPad. Real estate changes everything.
b) IMO get earphones you like - we're all different. I don't like them either which is why I use headphones. I don't think that the standard issue are any worse in terms of quality than what otherwise comes with your typical smart phone. Some may fit your 'earoles better than others.
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I also like the look and feel of Mac computers and screens although pricey in comparison with other PC's
That's why! There's a "complete" design element to Apple which beige PCs lack...and it's not just in their shape that they differ. Their engineering build standard is second to none. OS-to-hardware support is second to none. You say that you like the look and feel - well, given that it implies a better quality and construction philosophy - isn't that worth a little extra? I think so. The reason that Apple may seem "closed" to some is that the hardware, OS and application software are all designed to work together, seamlessly, under very strict rules and guidelines - all intended to add stability to the experience. If that's not what you're after in a business environment then maybe go buy a PC and open yourself to the hoards. Not for me I'm afraid - or for many others. There's a reason they're slightly pricier than an equivalent-power PC - there's a tad more effort involved in providing what I've just mentioned, and it costs. If none of it is important to you then I guess that you have a wider choice of platforms to choose from. We're not talking..well.. apples and apples.
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No I don't consider all Apple user's as suckers , likewise I don't consider all Microsoft users as suckers although they've been doing a good job of getting money out of us for years
Thanks Chris for your detailed response suffice it to say that there have been many articles published on the net and elsewhere that will support some of my statements as they will support your's, so we will beg to differ on this one.
Releasing new models every year IMO is just another marketing ploy to get more money out of those who must have the latest, greatest toy.!!!
I see that the apple fanatics are just as fanatic as us Linux people. we also hate when people say anything about our choice, even when its a valid point. Apple makes money from people with deep pockets and who must have the latest I-gizmo. Its good business sense that the "new model" will need to be replaced a year later anyway. but luckily apple have a cult following who belong to the apple congregation I will always give my money to the open source movement before any commercial company, Oh wait a minute, my choice is free and runs on anything even the "older" I-gizmos
Long Live Open source (even apple uses it so it must be good)
ps don't take this post to serious its all tongue in cheek well except the bit about Linux, I am a member of the open source congregation you know lol
Bad Apple! - making things that work well and are popular. Tisch,tisch. "Can't see the value" is merely an uninformed opinion. 
