Go Back   IceInSpace > Equipment > Equipment Discussions
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 8 votes, 5.00 average.
  #1  
Old 10-08-2010, 07:42 AM
gregbradley's Avatar
gregbradley
Registered User

gregbradley is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 18,169
What's a good mount to replace a Tak NJP?

I have been using a Tak NJP mount for several years now. It is a great mount. But my TEC180fl is pushing its weight limits to the max.

So I am looking to upgrade it. Not straight away but in the not too distant future.

What is a high end mount that could handle a TEC180 (the NJP can but its a bit undermounted for that scope)?

The obvious brands are AP (AP1200), Bisque (they are bringing out a mini ME).

I wonder how the ASA and other unique mounts are coming along.

Greg.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-08-2010, 01:18 PM
renormalised's Avatar
renormalised (Carl)
No More Infinities

renormalised is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Townsville
Posts: 9,698
Mini ME...sound like Austin Powers

Anyway...have you had a look at the Chronos mounts. They're not cheap, but they'd be an excellent choice, I think.

Or have you looked at these Parallax GEMS
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-08-2010, 04:39 PM
Zaps
Registered User

Zaps is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 349
Quote:
Originally Posted by gregbradley View Post
I have been using a Tak NJP mount for several years now. It is a great mount. But my TEC180fl is pushing its weight limits to the max.

So I am looking to upgrade it. Not straight away but in the not too distant future.

What is a high end mount that could handle a TEC180 (the NJP can but its a bit undermounted for that scope)?

The obvious brands are AP (AP1200), Bisque (they are bringing out a mini ME).

I wonder how the ASA and other unique mounts are coming along.

Greg.
How about the EM-400 or EM-500?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-08-2010, 05:38 PM
gregbradley's Avatar
gregbradley
Registered User

gregbradley is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 18,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaps View Post
How about the EM-400 or EM-500?

I like Tak mounts but an EM400 is really only a slightly beefed up NJP.
EM500 are quite expensive.

Also I want to use PEC and Tak mounts don't allow that so whatever PE they have thats what you get. Their native PE is quite low though. The beauty of them of course is ease of use.

I don't know that Tak has a mount in the same class as Paramount or AP1200.

Greg.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-08-2010, 05:45 PM
RB's Avatar
RB (Andrew)
Moderator

RB is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 26,530
Quote:
Originally Posted by gregbradley View Post
I like Tak mounts but an EM400 is really only a slightly beefed up NJP.
EM500 are quite expensive.

Also I want to use PEC and Tak mounts don't allow that so whatever PE they have thats what you get. Their native PE is quite low though. The beauty of them of course is ease of use.

I don't know that Tak has a mount in the same class as Paramount or AP1200.

Greg.
Agreed Greg.

The EM400 is a wonderful mount, straightforward to use, excellent performance but for your payloads it just not enough.
I was tempted by the EM500 but it's a bit too big for my needs.

The AP1200 would be wonderful.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-08-2010, 05:45 PM
gregbradley's Avatar
gregbradley
Registered User

gregbradley is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 18,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by renormalised View Post
Mini ME...sound like Austin Powers

Yes funny name, I think they call it something else to prevent that association.

Anyway...have you had a look at the Chronos mounts. They're not cheap, but they'd be an excellent choice, I think.

Or have you looked at these Parallax GEMS
The Chronos sounds good but US$25,000 plus shipping plus GST is around 2 or 3 2nd hand Paramount MEs or more.

Greg.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-08-2010, 05:48 PM
gregbradley's Avatar
gregbradley
Registered User

gregbradley is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 18,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by renormalised View Post
Mini ME...sound like Austin Powers

Anyway...have you had a look at the Chronos mounts. They're not cheap, but they'd be an excellent choice, I think.

Or have you looked at these Parallax GEMS
Quote:
Originally Posted by RB View Post
Agreed Greg.

The EM400 is a wonderful mount, straightforward to use, excellent performance but for your payloads it just not enough.
I was tempted by the EM500 but it's a bit too big for my needs.

The AP1200 would be wonderful.
The TEC180 with cameras, lets see, the OTA is about 30lbs and the camera 10 and the filter wheel, autoguider and guide scope is another 8 pounds, the rings about 12lbs and the dovetails about another 6lbs. So what's that - about 41kgs? I think the NJP was rated to about 25kgs and it obviously can handle greater than its conservative rating. But I want super round stars everytime without having to have everything exactly perfect to get there. Perhaps unrealistic. I'll see how the PME goes in the next few days.

Greg.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-08-2010, 08:38 PM
Zaps
Registered User

Zaps is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 349
Those Takahashi mounts are superb, but I guess they're not for everyone. That craftsmanship with its simplicity of quality always appeals to me.

The other extreme is the ASA DDM mounts. Also superb, apparently, but they take it to another level. The learning curve seems to be steep, and in fact they are possibly more suited to (semi-)professional astronomers.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-08-2010, 09:52 PM
renormalised's Avatar
renormalised (Carl)
No More Infinities

renormalised is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Townsville
Posts: 9,698
Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by gregbradley View Post

I don't know that Tak has a mount in the same class as Paramount or AP1200.

Greg.
Tak does have a mount that is actually considerably larger than either a PME or AP1200, the EM3500, but it's very expensive and is designed to carry 1000lb.

They use it for their monster APO's and other scopes.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-08-2010, 09:53 AM
bert's Avatar
bert (Brett)
Automation nut

bert is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bathurst
Posts: 667
Greg,

If you want perfect stars everytime, Personally I would be looking into adaptive optics, you are half way there with your purchase of the sx lodestar to go with the starlight ao system. Cheaper than a new mount too.

Brett
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-08-2010, 01:51 PM
gregbradley's Avatar
gregbradley
Registered User

gregbradley is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 18,169
Yes that would work with the Microline 8300 but not the Proline 16803 which requires a larger opening. I believe the SX AO has a smaller opening like 2 inches which is too small for these large chips. Or at least so I am told.

Greg.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-08-2010, 02:59 PM
multiweb's Avatar
multiweb (Marc)
ze frogginator

multiweb is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 22,077
Quote:
Originally Posted by gregbradley View Post
Yes that would work with the Microline 8300 but not the Proline 16803 which requires a larger opening. I believe the SX AO has a smaller opening like 2 inches which is too small for these large chips. Or at least so I am told.

Greg.
The SXV-AO Large format is 80mm ID. That should fit your sensor.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-08-2010, 10:38 PM
gregbradley's Avatar
gregbradley
Registered User

gregbradley is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 18,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by multiweb View Post
The SXV-AO Large format is 80mm ID. That should fit your sensor.
Ooh I didn't know they did a large format. That's good to know.
I'll check it out.

Cheers,

Greg.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-08-2010, 02:27 PM
ericwbenson (Eric)
Registered User

ericwbenson is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Posts: 209
Quote:
Originally Posted by multiweb View Post
The SXV-AO Large format is 80mm ID. That should fit your sensor.
No, the SXV-AO-LF has a 60mm optic. The actual clear aperture is even less (~2-3mm?) due to the mounting ring. The SBIG AOL is a little bigger at ~65mm aperture. Looking at the attached CAD diagram both are marginal with 16803/9000 chips. The yellow circle inside the 52.1mm chip diagonal is the projected 57mm aperture, 75 mm from the chip with a f/6.8 light cone. If you plan to crop (or deal with severe vignetting) it might be OK, but only a quarter of the guide chip will be fully illuminated.

EB
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (KAF16803_vignetting.jpg)
88.6 KB23 views
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-08-2010, 10:37 PM
multiweb's Avatar
multiweb (Marc)
ze frogginator

multiweb is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sydney
Posts: 22,077
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericwbenson View Post
No, the SXV-AO-LF has a 60mm optic.
You're right. 60mm and you'd get the shadow of the pickup prism.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 13-08-2010, 08:24 AM
gregbradley's Avatar
gregbradley
Registered User

gregbradley is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 18,169
That's what I thought - its too small for large chipped cameras.

But its good they have made one. They are bound to make a larger version once the demand for this one is satisfied and its a winner for them.

Greg.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 13-08-2010, 09:44 AM
Paul Haese's Avatar
Paul Haese
Registered User

Paul Haese is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 9,991
Well I have been really happy with my EM400. Not sure of the payload I have on it at present but it can and does produce lovely stars.

That said, it does have some down sides and I am looking for a much larger mount which has a home position. It may yet take several years to find what I want, but for now the EM400 is doing great.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 13-08-2010, 05:16 PM
wysiwyg's Avatar
wysiwyg (Mark)
Astrophotographer

wysiwyg is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Adelaide, Australia
Posts: 405
Greg,

PME! No questions asked!

Planewave also make a nice mount, roughly the same price as a new PME but can handle bigger payloads 125kg almost double of the PME. The High Res encoder version is about $18.5K.

Cheers
Mark
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 14-08-2010, 08:22 PM
gregbradley's Avatar
gregbradley
Registered User

gregbradley is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 18,169
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Haese View Post
Well I have been really happy with my EM400. Not sure of the payload I have on it at present but it can and does produce lovely stars.

That said, it does have some down sides and I am looking for a much larger mount which has a home position. It may yet take several years to find what I want, but for now the EM400 is doing great.
EM400 seems good. I think it is much the same as the NJP only a bit beefier but perhaps Tak also upgraded other aspects of it.

Tak mounts are definitely good and user friendly. I keep hearing the PME is in a whole different league. I will find out in the next few days. Its certainly a much larger and beefier looking unit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by wysiwyg View Post
Greg,

PME! No questions asked!

Planewave also make a nice mount, roughly the same price as a new PME but can handle bigger payloads 125kg almost double of the PME. The High Res encoder version is about $18.5K.

I saw the Planewave mounts. I'd like to hear some user feedback first though.

I start up my PME tomorrow.

Greg.

Cheers
Mark
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 14-08-2010, 09:19 PM
Paul Haese's Avatar
Paul Haese
Registered User

Paul Haese is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Adelaide
Posts: 9,991
Greg you are right the PME is another ball game altogether. You can buy good second hand ones on astromart but getting it here can be a hassle. The PME has many superior functions over the Tak or other mounts, but it depends on your budget and what you are looking to acheive.

If I had the choice without cost considerations I know I would have a PME, however the Tak has been a great unit.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time is now 11:55 AM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.7 | Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement
Bintel
Advertisement