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Old 16-01-2005, 05:24 PM
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Question Quick Question re: surface area?

Just a quick question for anyone.
I can't work out the Math to get the answer.

How much extra surface area on a 10" mirror compared to an 8" mirror?
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Old 16-01-2005, 05:42 PM
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Hello Ken. I'm getting a weird figure trying to work this out myself. I'm using the formula for the area of a circle and get 25pi for the 10" and 16pi for the 8". Now when I plug this in to see what the percentage increase is, I get a 1.5625 which translates to a 56.25% increase in surface area from 8" to 10". That sounds like too much to me But you just can't dispute the maths...unless I did the maths wrong
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Old 16-01-2005, 06:09 PM
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Tough one isn't it!

Yes Silvie, 56.25% sounds a bit wierd.
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Old 16-01-2005, 06:36 PM
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i got the same results as you silvie dunno try drawing them out see the difference visually
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Old 16-01-2005, 07:01 PM
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56.25% might be right as I know that a 12" mirror is 9 times!! the area of a 4".
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Well, let's think of it this way (all calculations are based on cm2 for the unit of area). The area of an 8" mirror is roughly 324 cm2 and that of a 10" mirror is roughly 507 cm2. The difference in area is then 507 cm2 - 324 cm2 = 183 cm2. Now if you compare that value to the surface area of the 8", 183 cm2 ends up being about 56% the size of that area, so a 56.25% increase in surface area from 8" to 10" doesn't sound so weird after all.
Or perhaps I've just confused everyone (and even myself!) just a little more!
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Old 16-01-2005, 07:34 PM
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Yeh sounds right and it would be pretty wierd if we managed to both get it wrong and get the same values. I remember being suprised at the increase in surface area from a 12" to a 14" so why would it be any different from an 8 to a 10.
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Old 16-01-2005, 07:51 PM
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Thanks Silvie, Aragorn and Mombat.

Tough stuff all this area of circle comparisons.
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increase in area = (10/8)^2 = 1.5625
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Old 17-01-2005, 04:52 PM
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Starkler,

Sorry but 1.5625 what?

Percent? inches? huh?
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Old 17-01-2005, 05:11 PM
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The 10 incher has 1.5625 times the surface area of the 8 inch and therefore collects extra light in that proportion.
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Old 17-01-2005, 05:25 PM
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WOW! It just doesn't seem right does it.

Thanks Starkler, I may have to go up to 10" as that is an impressive increase.
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Old 17-01-2005, 06:14 PM
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I am pretty good with maths and approx 50% increase sounds about right to me....
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Old 17-01-2005, 06:20 PM
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Actually the human eyes response to light is logarithmic rather than linear, so it doesnt mean you will perceive everything to be 1.5 times as bright.

The difference going from 8 inch to 10 inch is subtle rather than striking. Similarly with going from 10inch to 12.

If you are looking for a worthwhile increase you might want to skip a size. ie go from 6 to 10 inch, or 8 inch to 12.
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