Reverse discrimination.

Peter Ward · #1 05-12-2009, 11:24 AM

Is it just me? Or is anyone else growing weary of Advertiser's, Hollywood's, TV & the Media's and even the education system's treatment of us mere males.

Too many adverts portray men as incompetent, dumb or needing a guiding female hand to tie their shoe-laces.

Hollywood dishes up female butt-kicking Amazons (tiny, but often attractive) to whom six foot seven first-rower is nothing but a minor inconvenience.

Community male "authority figures" (eg, bus/train conductors, big burly coppers who'd give you a literal kick up the bum as a kid if you were naughty) have been hunted to extinction.

The cirriculum at our schools has swung so far toward teaching the fairer sex that boys are being left behind.

Touchy-feely is in. Macho behaviour is often illegal, or bubble wraped to such an extent it's not longer fun (just have a look at the Personal Water Craft laws in NSW)

(Dirty) Harry Callahan's are no longer PC.

Yet given the shootings/stabbings/muggings/violence, particularly on Sydney streets I can't help but think more the pity......

DavidU (Dave) · #2 05-12-2009, 11:28 AM

If you look at the recent Tiger Woods episode if it was Tiger going the wife with a golf club he would have been thrown in jail.
But as it is no one even mentions the wifes violent actions.

matt · #3 05-12-2009, 11:29 AM

Interesting.

It's a fair observation you make, Peter. Guaranteed to draw some fairly divergent opinion, too...depending on which side of the gender divide one finds oneself.

I must say I too have sometimes wondered about this gradual emasculation. It does appear the pendulum has swung the other way in a lot of areas of society and life.

Right or wrong? Fair/unfair? Who can say?

What I will say, and it's a statement I'll offer for many comments which are likely to follow, is that two wrongs don't make a right.

I have some very strong opinions about this topic, but they are probably best spoken about privately. I can see this thread potentially getting heated and turning ugly. So....until we get the chance to have a chat

TheDecepticon · #4 05-12-2009, 11:34 AM

Don't get me started, Peter!

The white male has no rights! Not even the right to represent himself in court. Not only is there sexual discrimination against white males, racial discrimination is on the rise and it is considered ok if I get called white . Not saying anymore or I'm gonna rant badly!!

Peter Ward · #5 05-12-2009, 11:46 AM

Humm...I don't seem to recall putting one's race into the post...and let me be very clear: I like women...some very much indeed...but not all women, in the same manner as some blokes can drive me spare...

But have a closer look at TV advertising. Count the ads where you have either a female "authority" or male(s) shown as needing help, incompetent or just plain dumb.

Then do the reverse....the ads in the latter category are non-existent.

sjastro · #6 05-12-2009, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Ward

But have a closer look at TV advertising. Count the ads where you have either a female "authority" or male(s) shown as needing help, incompetent or just plain dumb.

Then do the reverse....the ads in the latter category are non-existent.

You're old enough to remember the portrayal of women in the 60's and 70's. It's probably a cyclic event.

Steven

dpastern (Dave Pastern) · #7 05-12-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidU

If you look at the recent Tiger Woods episode if it was Tiger going the wife with a golf club he would have been thrown in jail.
But as it is no one even mentions the wifes violent actions.

Yeah well...as much as some will dislike my following comments, from a court point of view, it's a woman's world. Men get continously screwed on all counts.

Dave

marki · #8 05-12-2009, 12:27 PM

I certainly agree with Peter on curriculum issues. In WA many courses are continually being rehashed to better suit females to the exclusion of males (the results speak for themselves, we just think differently). Family courts and many work places also fail to recognise males as even being worthy of civil rights and we are expected to take it on the chin. Australian men need a stronger voice both in society and within political lobbies. I am all for equality but believe the balance has been tipped too far the other way.

Mark

CoombellKid · #9 05-12-2009, 12:31 PM

You guys/fellas ever been caught in the washingmachine called the
Family Court??? and they jailed Marcus Enfield for telling fibs.

If you have you will get a fair idea about male discrimination.

Cheers,CS

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #10 05-12-2009, 12:32 PM

I've so much to say on this topic.
But I'll keep it short.

The feminist movement has come a long way, but unfortunately there aren't many true feminists out there. It seems that an awful lot of women are after all they can get without putting anything back in.
Women need to behave in a more gentleman like manner to gain true equality and respect.

dpastern (Dave Pastern) · #11 05-12-2009, 12:43 PM

Well said Jeanette. Unfortunately, the modern girl doesn't think that way. It's how good looking a guy can I get, how much money does he have, and how can I screw him for that if we split up. Call me a pessimist, call me negative, I'm simply stating what I see with my own eyes.

Dave

citivolus (Ric) · #12 05-12-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dpastern

Well said Jeanette. Unfortunately, the modern girl doesn't think that way. It's how good looking a guy can I get, how much money does he have

Oh, there are still good ones out there. I'm married to one. My sisters, on the other hand...

Peter Ward · #13 05-12-2009, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjnettie

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Women need to behave in a more gentleman like manner to gain true equality and respect.

Reminds me of " My fair Lady"

"Why can't a woman be more like a man?" wondered Henry Higgins

and a well worn quip....a man opens a door for a (feminist) woman.

She barks at him "You didn't have to open the door just because I'm a woman"

His response: "No...I did it becuase I'm a gentleman ! "

dpastern (Dave Pastern) · #14 05-12-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by citivolus

Oh, there are still good ones out there. I'm married to one. My sisters, on the other hand...

Not many. Again, I don't proclaim to have seen or met every woman in existence. I'm just basing my comment on my experiences. I know of a lot of guys who think the same as me, but are just too timid to say it. It's not socially acceptable to say what I've said, and many frown of it as socially stepping out of line. I've never been one for really following society's "rules". I'm no sheep.

Dave

MrB (Simon) · #15 05-12-2009, 01:07 PM

Interesting thread.
There was an interesting discussion on TripleJ recently about the Twilight movies... which, if you are not familiar with them.... are mostly about showing young men prancing about with no shirts on for a couple of hours.
There were some interesting phone calls from the parents/siblings of teenage girls.

It's interesting how we've gone from a society that whinged and whined about semi naked women on TV/movies and advertisements... to one where the same is happening with men (30 foot high Calvin Clein billboards anyone?) and there's silence.
Seriously, I don't want to see Beckham's package(sock).

It's not all men though, anyone who has sat up past midnight watching TV would have seen all the "Russian Girls" and "girls gone wild" and "call me now" adverts, I dunno how they get away with a lot of it.

marki · #16 05-12-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjnettie

I've so much to say on this topic.
But I'll keep it short.

The feminist movement has come a long way, but unfortunately there aren't many true feminists out there. It seems that an awful lot of women are after all they can get without putting anything back in.
Women need to behave in a more gentleman like manner to gain true equality and respect.

You are right on the money JJJ. As a kid I watched my parents pitch in equally on all fronts whether that be cleaning our soiled nappies, putting food on the table or blasting a snake with a shotgun to protect us kids. I never knew it could be any other way so you can imagine how bemused I have been as an adult

. Respect is such a simple word.

Mark

DavidU (Dave) · #17 05-12-2009, 01:15 PM

I must say that I also found it appalling the way women were used in advertising during the 70's & 80's. I'm glad that has stopped to a large degree.

strongmanmike (Michael) · #18 05-12-2009, 01:29 PM

Funny Peter you and I have not seen eye to eye in the past on a couple of rather unimprotant things... but on this topic of the portrail, treatment and expectations of men and global climate change we are in complete agreement

The gender inequality in level of salary came up yet AGIAN recently

..but as usual still no reference to the fact that 9 Aussie men die as a result of work related incidents/illness to every one woman - it's pathetic.

Mike
I love women too

jjjnettie (Jeanette) · #19 05-12-2009, 01:52 PM

On the other hand, men need to get in touch with their feminine side to truly relate to us frails.

LOL, more men in skirts I say. eh Mike. LOL

strongmanmike (Michael) · #20 05-12-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jjjnettie

LOL, more men in skirts I say. eh Mike. LOL

Ah sigh... I remember those good'ol days...

Ya can even see what's under mine in this shot

http://www.pbase.com/strongmanmike20...11935/original