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Old 28-08-2009, 09:57 AM
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I caught a Supernova and didnt know it

Hello again
I have just picked this post up on another forum.

It appears that a SN occurred in NGC 4038 and was discovered in Dec 2007. Rob Gendler hadnt realised he caught it either and he imaged this galaxy in Mar 08, and I imaged it in Apr 08.

I have marked the SN on my image here:
http://www.martinpughastrophotograph...e_SN2007sr.jpg

and you can read all about the SNR on Rob's website here.
http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/N...007srtext.html

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Martin
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Old 28-08-2009, 10:07 AM
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You could say that's a "bugger" moment...what a pity you didn't realise at the time.
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Old 28-08-2009, 10:28 AM
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Gee, one would have to be very observant at the time - but once pointed out, it sure stands out.
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Old 28-08-2009, 11:18 AM
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It is not a "bugger" moment... Better to realise you have something important later than never... or realise you have nothing.
Who knows on how many images things like this were caught and no-one will ever know..
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Old 28-08-2009, 07:38 PM
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Hi Martin,
I bet it has happened more often than people think. Especially now that so many people are taking lovely images of galaxies like yours and what an absolutely superb image it is - congratulations. Fact is there are a lot of stars in that image and unless you are undertaking a deliberate search with prior reference images then you have got very little chance of noticing a new star. 2007sr was 12.9 magnitude when discovered on 18 December 2007, even at that bright magnitude at discovery date with so many stars in the field most would be at a loss without checking against previous images or the DSS images. So maybe this is the wakeup call for all you galaxy imagers - if you are going to take beautiful images of galaxies as per Strongman Mikes wonderful recent Grus Quartet then why not go that little bit further - you might as well check them against the DSS images, you may well get lucky.
Hey it even happened to a well known Aussie Scotsman with the LMC, he even thought something looked "odd" but didn't check his images until later and the rest is well, history... congratulations to Shelton.
I missed a mag 17 SN in July just a week or so after my discovery in NGC5967, if I employed image subtraction I would have got it, I don't, I just eyebeall each galaxy and I was tired, so I say that is a "bugger".
Bojan is near the money - it is even more important to find you have a pre discovery image of a Supernova in your image, or even no Supernova in an image say a week prior to a discovery being made. This will add value to further research of the SN and needs to be reported to the IAU per IAU procedure. So it is important to keep the date and time (in decimal time) of any galaxy images you take - it could turn out to be very valuable information.
Either way, I say what a fantastic image you have Martin. I would suggest you send it to Dave Bishop for inclusion in his images of Supernova on the Bright Supernova Page dbishop@vhdl.org - there are not many colour images there and yours is a corker.
PeterM.

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Old 28-08-2009, 07:47 PM
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Peter said all of what I was going to say
I have on a number of occasions have informed galaxy posters on this forum that they have an already reported supernova in their images and they didn't know, but where chuffed to have taken a pic with a supernova in it.
I always look at all galaxy photo's posted on this forum for Supernova
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