What is your thought?

[Ralbert Jastein (Raju)]

Hi all!
Considering the theories of the formation of the universe, is it not more logical to think that anything is possible?
Can anyone somehow prove that absolutely anything is not impossible regarding the formation of the universe?
How do you think the universe was formed?
Is it as likely to have been formed from a giant vegetable as the 'Big Bang'?
Yes, why not?

[Jen]

Ouch my head hurts

Hi Ralbert and welcome to IIS

[xelasnave]

Greetings and welcome.

I think the only reasonable view is that the Universe is infinite...no top, bottom or sides but more importantly ...no start no end...

If we are to accept the b ig bang idea that the Universe is finite I ask ...what is on the outside???? or put it another way into what medium does our Universe expand... nothing???

Are there any reasons why the big bang idea is the only reasonable idea as to how the Universe came into being?

How can we exclude any and every alternate view that may arise on the creation of the Universe.


alex

[Enchilada]

"I don't think about things that I don't think about..."

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by Enchilada

"I don't think about things that I don't think about..."

That is indeed profound but it must be an exclusive process as if you think about something that you dont think about then you are nevertheless thinking about it..even if only for a moment... so I wonder how one deals with such...

And as to the specifics of the thread I ask..

"do you think about the creation of the Universe and then qualify it as a matter you do not think about and move on to other matters content to accept it is indeed a matter that you do not think about"....

The proposition you raise has indeed got me thinking I think.

alex

[mick pinner]

if you accept that the universe is infinite and has no boundaries then this is outside our understanding of nature as we as humans understand it.
as l look at it, should this be true then all the discussion and thought will prove only one thing, that we have no idea what we are talking about.

[troypiggo (Troy)]

Originally Posted by Ralbert Jastein

Hi all!
Considering the theories of the formation of the universe, is it not more logical to think that anything is possible?
Can anyone somehow prove that absolutely anything is not impossible regarding the formation of the universe?
How do you think the universe was formed?
Is it as likely to have been formed from a giant vegetable as the 'Big Bang'?
Yes, why not?

As long as the vegetable wasn't a choko. I hate chokoes.

[Baddad (Marty)]

Hey Alex and Ralbert,

Good debatable material there. Obviously thrashed out by experts without reaching a solid conclusion.

My own thoughts and facts I've heard:

The human brain is finite in size and capacity. it cannot fathom the concept of infinity effectively. It qualifies such concepts to satisfy itself when the thought emerges.

Going with Jen's comment,"Ouch my head hurts ".
Is one way of dealing with the thought and its almost true.

Having said that, I find it difficult to grasp a number of ideas, concepts in the Universe. those ideas produced by scientists at times.

The Universe is finite? I agree with you Alex. What's beyond it? Hey! Someone else says there are other universes' out there.

This is the big one: Matter cannot be destroyed or created. Energy, the same. Interchangeable yes. Matter to energy and vice versa.

Gravity is a force which shifts apples and galaxies. Bends light. Where does the energy for such a powerful force come from? The mass of the body producing it does not change, temperature does not affect it, is it related to other energy or forces?

Energy and force are related. When a force acts on a body energy is produced. With gravity its kinetic and /or compression and then spectacular things happen. What is this gravity? Is it creating energy? Am I missing something here?

If there was an opposite gravity force from a body it would not exist in this universe. The bodies would repel each other to achieve an equilibrium.

I know the effects of gravity but where's it come from?

My brain hurts
Cheers Marty

[BerrieK]

Aah Marty, ask Alex about push gravity.

Perhaps the definitive discovery and identification of dark matter (perhaps using the LHC) will answer the question of 'where does gravity come from?'.

[Baddad (Marty)]

Hey BerrieK,

Too old for debates, pretending to know more than ya' really do..

Please enlighten me on what LHC is. Something to do with the IIS Community's information system I imagine?
Have to leave for work, customers expect me soon.
Cheers Marty

[BerrieK]

LHC = Large Hadron Collider (its a really big particle accelerator)

Check out the threads in the Science forums.

[Baddad (Marty)]

Originally Posted by BerrieK

LHC = Large Hadron Collider (its a really big particle accelerator)

Check out the threads in the Science forums.

Hey Kerrie,

Will do that. Thanks.

(Thinking). Large Hal'' Coll'''. Sounds interesting.

Cheers Marty

[avandonk]

This conjecture is crap. We may as well say the universe was created by a pink bunny rabbit. Is that valid? NO!

Unless your wild imaginings can be tested by experiment your imaginings are just that mild crap!

Sorry but go and learn some basic science. If that is too difficult stop posting drivel.


I make no apologies for this position as too many uninformed religious/deluded twits try to pervert real science with their drivel to lead the uninformed to an even worse position to the true believers of dross.

I just cannot help myself! Like shooting fish in a barrel!

Bert

[troypiggo (Troy)]

So just to clarify - there's absolutely no chance it all began from the Big Choko Bang? Phew.... I hate chokoes...

[TJD (Trevor)]

Originally Posted by avandonk

This conjecture is crap. We may as well say the universe was created by a pink bunny rabbit. Is that valid? NO!

Unless your wild imaginings can be tested by experiment your imaginings are just that mild crap!

Sorry but go and learn some basic science. If that is too difficult stop posting drivel.


I make no apologies for this position as too many uninformed religious/deluded twits try to pervert real science with their drivel to lead the uninformed to an even worse position to the true believers of dross.

I just cannot help myself! Like shooting fish in a barrel!

Bert

look you give me solid evidence about how it happend


thers has to be a guess some where in there.

what created the big bang guessing so if where guessing something that created the bigg bang arnt we geussing that the big bang was there


i mean stars and galexys fly away from a spot couldnt that mean that if there was an end to galexy theres gravity that is pulling not pushing like the big bang

i guees my point is anybody can be correct it could be a choko
it could be a god\
it could be anything

give me silid evidence and i will say theres a guess there there could be a alien that made the univers

think before you right sorry about the spelling

[ngcles]

Hi Ralbert & All,

Big-Bang gets relatively wide acceptance in the physics/astronomy community over any vegetable-based theory (and others at the moment) basically because of Ockham's razor -- it's simply the best theory we've got.

Currently it is the best supported (by verifiable facts and evidence), simplest explaination of the formation, evolution and fate of the Universe as a whole that, at the same time, makes the least number of apparently unsupported assumptions.

Is that to say its perfect? Infallible? No, but it's the best we've got -- and by some distance. Will it stand the test of time? Well no one knows for certain but in the apparent absence of evidence supporting a vegetable-based Genesis, it looks much better than a fair bet.

But then again, there's always the Great Green Arkelseizure Theory.

Just as importantly ... Alex!! -- long time no hear. Good to see you contributing again . Hope things are well with you.


Best,

Les D

P.S I hate chokos too ...

[marki]

Originally Posted by avandonk

This conjecture is crap. We may as well say the universe was created by a pink bunny rabbit. Is that valid? NO!

Unless your wild imaginings can be tested by experiment your imaginings are just that mild crap!

Sorry but go and learn some basic science. If that is too difficult stop posting drivel.


I make no apologies for this position as too many uninformed religious/deluded twits try to pervert real science with their drivel to lead the uninformed to an even worse position to the true believers of dross.


Bert

Bert, the big bang theory is just that, a theory and in the true sense of scientific method open to debate and could be changed at any moment if it is found to be flawed (which it is in my opinion). If dark matter/energy cannot be proven then its on very thin ground indeed and at the moment the physicists seem to be running around plugging holes in a sinking ship. There are a number of viable alternate scientific theories out there that could with much work end up giving us a clearer picture. But on the whole who really cares? If the universe was started by a carrot or bananah so what? Not all of these debates need to dive into the us vs them (science vs religion) type arguments. I think people were just having a little fun. So I propose the the universe is actually a complete illusion and we are all victims of an evil plot by some non existent hypothetical tyrant. Oh yes I do have a little formal science education.

Mark

[marki]

Originally Posted by ngcles

But then again, there's always the Great Green Arkelseizure Theory.

Absolutely Les . This is the general chat forum after all.

Mark

[stephenb (Stephen)]

Originally Posted by ngcles

But then again, there's always the Great Green Arkelseizure Theory.

Les, I have always leaned towards this theory, but unfortunately it is not widely known outside Viltvodle Six, as you know.

While I respect everyone's opinion (an you are entitled to have an opinion whether you posses any scientific qualifications/religious beliefs or not), I simply do not spend time worrying about it.

You non-believers just wait to see what becomes of you with the 'Coming of the Great White Handkerchief'. Then we'll see who has the last laugh!

[ngcles]

Hi Redesford & All,

Originally Posted by redesford

... Then we'll see who has the last laugh!

Last laugh ? .. the last sniff or sneeze I think


Best,

Les D