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Old 15-09-2005, 11:24 AM
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Image for collimation testing

Hi All,

I have centre spotted my primary, and aligned it with a cheshire, but I would interested to know what every one thinks of this image i have stacked of canopus.

I am assuming the flaring to the bottom right would indicate collimation issues.

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Old 15-09-2005, 02:24 PM
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How did you take the image Dave ? Just the Toucam , no ep ?
The double horizontal diffraction spikes, is that from stacking several images ?
Have you checked for pinched mirrors, both primary and secondary ?
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Old 15-09-2005, 02:56 PM
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This was an early version before collimation basically out of the box, I have since centre spotted, and done up the screws holding the primary only finger tight .

Image was taken with a toucam and stacked in registax,

I will retake an image and have the "after" image.
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Old 15-09-2005, 03:43 PM
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The double spikes indicate that the image is still not quite in focus. Why only the horizontal one are double I don't know???
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Old 15-09-2005, 05:25 PM
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Hi David try taking an out of focus image, on both sides of focus would be best, it will tell you much more about your collimation.

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Old 15-09-2005, 07:19 PM
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The double defraction spikes indicate that the spider vanes in one direction aren't quite aligned together (I have the same with my 12.5" dob). The below diagram (loose use of the word ) may help you understand. It is a top view of your tube looking down on the spider vanes:

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(------O______) <- notice the offset of opposing vanes
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..............^ -Fine this way

If you can't understand the diagram I get back to me. To see if this is the thing that is creating your double diffraction spike you can just look along the line of the spider vane and you should be able to pick the miss-alignment. If it is...how do you fix it? If you spider is completely adjustable you should be able to "twist it out" through adjustments, however if the spider vanes are fixed (like my dob ) then you just have to live with them or replace your spider (as I eventually will....one day )
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Old 15-09-2005, 08:19 PM
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thanks andrew, i will give it a go tonight, weather permitting
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Old 15-09-2005, 09:33 PM
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David

You can do the check anytime - remember you don't have to look through the telescope, just "eyeball" the alignment of your spider vanes from the top of your scope. I have attached a picture I just took of my upper cage assembly that shows the offset in the oposing spider vanes (in the directions of the arrows). It is subtle in the photo, but is more noticable in person. If you extend one of the spider vanes past the centre with an imaginary line you can see that the extension doesn't overlay the opposing vane. You can also notice from the picture that I have no flexibility in adjusting these vanes, so eventually I will replace them (possibly with a curved vane).
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Old 15-09-2005, 09:43 PM
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This tells me the spider is not made correctly (on Daves scope) Theres no way to fix that, that I can think of? Is there a warranty issue raising it's ugly head here?
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Old 15-09-2005, 09:54 PM
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I think that Dave's scope's spider will be way more adjustable than mine , but those with GS dobs will be better able to answer that. I only notice the double defraction spikes on the brightest stars so it may not be a big issue.
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Old 15-09-2005, 10:11 PM
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Apart from 2 90 deg bends close together.....Hmmm, interesting.
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Old 16-09-2005, 11:26 AM
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Have you checked the alignment of the spider vanes yet? If so, how did they look?
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Old 16-09-2005, 11:35 AM
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looks ok, here is a piccie.

too many clouds last night to get a bright star to try again after collimation.

i will give it a rip tonight, nice bright star , maybe venus, take a video, stack it and compare them with you guys tonight
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Old 16-09-2005, 01:48 PM
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Dave - certainly looks OK going by the picture.

How far out was your collimation?
Do the individual frames of your stacking also show the double spider vane?
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Old 16-09-2005, 02:11 PM
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i will give it a rip tonight, nice bright star , maybe venus, take a video, stack it and compare them with you guys tonight
It doesn't have to be too bright, I wouldn't do it on venus.

Do it on a medium-bright star, and don't have the gain cranked up too high. Some of the flaring around the star can be caused by overexposure.

It can also be caused by astigmatism - have you followed Geoff's how-to and checked your primary and secondary for pinching?
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Old 16-09-2005, 09:21 PM
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Davo, I'm not sure if it's just the angle/position that you took the pic from, but the top left/right of focuser, spider, looks slightly 'curved' to me. I put a rule against the monitor,(flat), & it lines up with the B/left to T/right, but not with the other 2. Could be just the angle.
I get a similar thing with mine, just out of focus. When in focus it's gone. So I use it as a guide sometimes. Helps to have an electric focuser tho.
HTH. L.
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Old 16-09-2005, 09:26 PM
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thanks for the help guys

yup mike when i spotted my primary, i loosen the screws for pinching.

raining hard tonight, so no stars to try, but first oppotunity, me and the toucam are going to work on the dob!
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Old 16-09-2005, 09:36 PM
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Hehehe! I did the same thing Laurie! With the ruler I mean...The 2 near vertical vanes in the pic look curved, yeah, but also one looks 1/2 a vane thickness not aligned with the other If you know what I mean to me ?
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Dave,

don't panic too much about the vains being out of alignment.

GS use a very thin vain material (which is good).

I had the same prob and all I did was twisted the 2ndry housing a bit and they lined up. I checked by placing a rule along them. Perfect!

Luckily GS vains are so thin, the thinner the better!!!
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Oh, also, make sure the vains are perpendicular to the light path. They can twist a bit. Just twist them back!
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