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Old 03-12-2008, 08:54 PM
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Bored so I united the forces..

Well here we go my theory of everything..well not a theory in the strict scienctific meaning of the word but a series of loose ideas put together in an effort offer direction to unite the forces..

If you are convinced they already have it worked out dont read past this point as my ideas will have you huffing and puffing and I dont want to raise anyones blood pressure... so if you take yourself seriously I caution reading past this point...but if you are bored read on but please dont let me upset you ….......I respect scientists and thought not to post this because it will be seen as bad as a UFO conviction...but it is my opinion and I do not step back from that at all...

There is no support other than my morosophic observations.

DrA tried to unite the forces and as he did not get it done in his life time I took it upon myself to help the human race move forward on this matter.

Some have heard my push gravity idea and find it silly but that is ok but herein I hope to offer some way of a unification of the forces.

Now that is a big task for an old man with only two dogs to talk the matter through with.
The dogs help but it is mostly my ideas I outlay here.


There is a universal flow of particles that makes everything work.
Each star radiates particles and those particles make up a universal flow everything going at c (light speed) in every direction.,, we wont call it an eather out of respect for the MM experiment but that is sortta what I am on about to a degree.

The gravity posh idea been discounted as crack pot and so now I will be called crack pot because I wont give up on the idea.
I dont think the idea is crack pot but not giving up on the idea can definitly seen as severly crack pot.

The push idea was first put forward by LeSage in 1745 and falling into and out of favour over the centuries.
I thought I was the first but it is comforting that others can arrive at similar conclusions.

Newton had an associate who believed gravity worked this way..he was hunted down by the church and killed but apparently for something else but as Newton when questioned what is the force of gravity he probably thought about the church and replied “gravity is due to the force of God” ....a smart man,

DrA in the theory of general relativity did not change that idea simply by not giving gravity aforce but opting for pathways in effect of least resistence caused by curving of space by matter,

Gravity in this styled “push”universe works by bodies “shielding” each other from the “flow” of particles. So on Earth we get more flow from above than below the greater flow from above holding us against the reduced flow from below.

I cut here because it would not all go in one post..

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Old 03-12-2008, 08:55 PM
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Now to continue..........

Very quickly I will tie in the forces on such an approach.

So for a moment take it that gravity is a push force in effect due to a universal flow of particles from everywhere...
So we have this flow through all space of particles coming from everywhere at any point.

Take a moment to think of it this way..say we give light the property of a particle and make each particle as big as a gain of sand so as to visualise it better. Stars are not points of light but radiate out everywhere..or each star pushes out energy (particle flow) in the manner suggested...visualise a star this way it will help get to where I am coming from.

These particles flow across space and create gravity as suggested above via an imbalance of flow pressure.

So there is the gravity part.

I relate this flow to electricity by my observation of sprites clouds and lightning.

A sprite is a giant electrical showing above storm clouds of huge proportion... some 50 klms high and 5 klms wide.

I see these sprites as visual evidence of the universal flow “running” into a storm cloud and this interception by the cloud causes the sprite which I believe is the “bank” up of the flow.

Think of the flow coming thru space at light speed and some of it running into a storm cloud...like cars on a toll way when they come to its end and have to slow to pay the toll.

The sprite (the banked up flow) moves into the cloud and discharges as lightning. Again think of the car thing and the lightning as cars getting out of the bank up and finding a street with less traffic to continue their journey.

Now the sprite and the lightning I believe are/is concentrations of this flow.

So in my view the same stuff that makes gravity work also manifests as electricity.

If one looks at a genny (an electricity manufacturing machine) the arrangement can be described similar in so far as the wire (which is like the cloud) picks up the flow and it races off as electricity harvested by humans for their needs... a similar arragement can been made out in a solar panel if one sees it this way.

So electricity is part of the flow that has been captured and runs down a wire seeking the fastest way to get back into the flow and continue through space... the way it gets back is by heat as it must to escape from an electrical circuit...for this flow represents all energy and its ticket back to the flow is via heat.

The magnetic field in a genny helps concentrate this flow but I feel that if one did not use a magnetic field and had more coils the harvest of the flow would still occur. I know this opens me up to all sorts of critism but I am presenting an idea so give me room... but critise all you like and I hope you enjoy the debate that will follow.

So how does this flow relate to magnetism...well in the case of the Earth spinning the flow meets the equator where the flow finds the resistence of faster moving matter makes the flow try to find a faster way thru the planet. As the region between the poles turns slower it takes this course.

In the case of a a bar magnet the alignment of atoms acts like a set of pipes bundled together such that penetration from the sides makes the flow run down the magnet (like water finding a pth thru the pipes....and as the flow comes from all directions we get the flow going both ways. Again attraction is not in opperation here it is push..from both directions.

So what about the nuclear force then???
If one can concentrate enough matter it resists the flow.

An atomic pile has a critical mass or in other words it will at a point present a resistence to the flow that causes heat.
Placement of a graphite jacket around the rod helps slow the flow I think presenting opportunity for greater interference and heat generation.

We need atomic material simply because of its density and opportunity to have more interaction with the flow. On this basis it would seem possible to use something like iron instead of nueclear fuel it just needs to be huge to present a greater interception to the flow.

A bomb heats and compresses matter to a degree where the flow is greatly interferred with because the matter presents a greater barrier to the flow..and so the bomb at first detonation heats and compresses the matter and offers an almost absolute shield to the flow. The first detonation of the “normal” explosive is used to compress and heat the matter...such that a huge portion of the flow collides with the matter... and as the flow is going at c the matter is caught up and tore away in all directions...


AND now optics...
The flow makes lens work as the “fat” side of a lens presents a barrier to the flow so the pressure is less from the “fat” part of the lens and light is bent is that direction. Where light goes through a prism the heavier “light” particles are more subject to interaction and pushed further so we get a separation and we call it a rainbow in effect.

AND momentum...
Momentum is matter picking up the flow and continuing in the direction under the pressure of the flow that gets caught travelling in that direction. Think of this ..why when one throws a ball does it travell on.. the force stops when the hand loses contact so I figure it is this flow that keeps the ball going...maybe on this basis one could release momentum via electrical ground contact ...imagine if we could do that ..the family sedan could out gun a top v8 because stopping would be faster and if we could shed this energy acceleration greater.

Now those who say I need math I know that but this is my attempt to work out mechanically how everything fits on the broardest appraoch..it is the “theory”of everything so it is not easy to lay out in a chat posting.

On my reasoning therefore gravity can be greater if the matter is hot and or spinning as both offer more interference with the flow and thereby altering the pressure we call gravity.

A push universe removes the need for dark matter and suggests that dark energy is along the lines I suggest...and dark energy is seen as a pushing force.

A premise of my idea is that there is no such thing as attraction and where we think we see attraction it is better seen as push.

The casimir effect (where two plates seem to attract in a vacuum) is seen as evidence of attraction however I suggest what is happening is that the flow is restricted and must travell around the plates thereby holding them together... which is interpreted as an attrasctive force whereas the flow is pushing the plated together.

I read that heating the plated increases the attraction..well as I suggested heat causes greater interference with the flow creating a greater shielding effect and therefore more “gravity” effect.
Also I believe that the flow controls the atom... I can not accept that an atom holds its energy within but that it comes from the flow ..the electron is held in orbit because of the shielding effect of the nuclius. We accept that somehow an atom as small as and billions of years old carries its own inexhaustible power pack... I can not readily accept that is the way it is...

At extreme cold temperatures such as the Einstein Bose condensate the flow has less resistence because stuff when cold slows and at these temps slows greatly...and therefore it appears there is less gravity and in my view there is indeed less gravity. Why does frozen helium flow up the walls of the container less resistence to the flow I suggest.

I could go on and on as you all know but I have tried to be real brief to give a simple overview of how I can tie in all the forces...

AND Black holes???
So what of black holes.. I doubt if they are as they think of them. I have speculted on how gravity could manifest at the extreme levels suggested by matter near a black hole.

I think we will find a fast orbitinbg binary system (and observations suggest all black holes exist in a binary system so I believe) offers shielding to the region between the stars where the flow is greatly excluded (and disrupted) and there by giving the readings of extreme gravity.
Two stars very hot and spinning very fast will offer greater resistence to the flow giving a region between of greatly reduced flow pressure which equates to greater gravity..

Also a binary system offer a better way to produce the jets associated with black holes...a vortex is created as binaries must scribe out such because they can only orbit a little off center to each other..the result would be an out flow of destroyed matter and the speeds would produce the exotic rays observed. Think of a black hole as it has been suggested in the conventional approach and how it would produce such outflows that we observe... binaries would produce a swirl like water going down the drain.

So there you go... I hope you like my ideas and no I have no math support but I dont have to prove this to anyone … but hopefully some may like to join in the specualtion or use this opportunity to call me a crack pot..thats ok what else could one call me for rattling this off as if I have everything figured out...

So far I predicted that the space craft leaving the solar system would slow up because of the properties I suggest of space. AND when I suggested this would be the case NASA and everyone looked toward an entirely different outcome... and I like the opportunity for speculation the casimir effect and the application of heat to increase “attraction”...and on that point another prediction... in nano teck they find a stickyness at small levels..that is why they are so excited by the heat observations they hope this insite will offer opportunity to reverse the stickyness...well if we go with my approach to reduce the stickyness small channels in the plates will work (in a typical casimir experiment effect) so the flow can get past on the “inside” and reduce the pressure of a completely restricted path to the flow.

It is time to end the sky has cleared so maybe some photos and viewing...I need it so bad.
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Old 03-12-2008, 08:57 PM
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Dam the cloud is back..well ok I can answer questions in that case

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Old 03-12-2008, 09:00 PM
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Alex are you that bored, but then you couldn't be, as you spend so much time typing, how are those fingers.

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Old 03-12-2008, 09:06 PM
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Dam the cloud is back..well ok I can answer questions in that case

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Hi,

As you state you offer no proof or mathematics, no testable predictions, so what questions could anyone possibly have. Except perhaps the moral to your lengthy fairy tale.

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For someone who has unified the forces, you seemed to have missed out on one.

Maybe it's lost in the mass in words but I doubt it.

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For someone who has unified the forces, you seemed to have missed out on one.

Maybe it's lost in the mass in words but I doubt it.

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I am not the only one who missed including one

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Old 03-12-2008, 09:27 PM
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As you state you offer no proof or mathematics, no testable predictions, so what questions could anyone possibly have. Except perhaps the moral to your lengthy fairy tale.

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Now Paul how often have I moralised on this site...mmmm dont answer that.
Hey my space craft thing is testable to a degree.. I said they would slow and they did... who else on this planet said they would slow???


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Old 03-12-2008, 09:34 PM
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Now Paul how often have I moralised on this site...mmmm dont answer that.
Hey my space craft thing is testable to a degree.. I said they would slow and they did... who else on this planet said they would slow???


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Hi,

Either they slow, speedup or no change occurrs. It seems to me you have a 1 in 3 chance of being correct. Usually a theory would enable someone to predict by how much the effect would change the speed and give error bars for this prediction.

From reading your theory I dont see how it is possible for you to quantify or test your prediction, i am sorry but to me it seems like a guess?

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Either they slow, speedup or no change occurrs. It seems to me you have a 1 in 3 chance of being correct. Usually a theory would enable someone to predict by how much the effect would change the speed and give error bars for this prediction.

From reading your theory I dont see how it is possible for you to quantify or test your prediction, i am sorry but to me it seems like a guess?

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Well Paul NASA had a one and three as well but they backed the wrong horse..I didnt.

Of course it is guess work and I have no problem with your view here .., I did think they would slow and stop and appear to race away again at the speed our solar system orbits the galaxy. That wont happen for years probably after I am dead.

AND thanks for your comments I tried to be not too confronting out of respect you know.
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Alex - hows the weather? clearing? clean skies yet?
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Old 03-12-2008, 10:32 PM
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I have been out for a while it is clear but moist. The weather map shows I am in the middle of a storm but I must believe what I find outside..clear as.
Horse Head later maybe.
But just cruising the sky with the 80 x 20 binos and it is very nice ..so I guess I am not bored now.
JJJ has some wide music so I think I will play guitar with the kids to keep on my game.
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Take up fishing ....

Great excuse to sit on rock, on a beach, on river and lake bank, on chair and be doing absolutely nothing except watching the waves roll and clouds and time rolling by .... who knows - you might even catch a feed of fresh fishy things in the process.
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Well sortta did similar today ..got to see my daughter and went swiming with her.. relaxing and joyful.
I used to fish ..twice a day every day..before work after work and instead of work... I have been serious about it but now I cant kill even a mozzy I catch them and put them outside..even a flea gets set down outside ...
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Moon seems near to be gone so I am going out to do stuff.
One eye has been closed so its good... one for the screen...all is good
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Well sortta did similar today ..got to see my daughter and went swiming with her.. relaxing and joyful.
I used to fish ..twice a day every day..before work after work and instead of work... I have been serious about it but now I cant kill even a mozzy I catch them and put them outside..even a flea gets set down outside ...
Soft in the head soft in the heart...
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I have no problems or quarms about impaling live baits (small fish on big hooks) , or cutting the throat of a fish when I am ready to go home to kill it, or decapitating a fish while it's still kicking.
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Yes Ian I was once so.

Without the rush I have found in solitude I find I am extrodinarily compassionate to any creature.

Almost everyday I get up I will find some creature in distress ..an ant trapped in the sugar jar, a spider in the sink and cant escape ..that sort of thing... so I save them .... not to play God but simply through my respect that they share my time on the planet ... by respecting such helpless creatures and not just snuffing out their existence I feel less human so that is good in my view.

A can understand the lack of human compassion, I have been there, but I feel it helps to minimise human arrogance I still have within me.

So there is another part to the theory of everything... because everything is not limited just to some stuff it relatres to everything.

I came accross this from Frances answer to Newton which exposes the magnitude of coming up with a theory of evcerything and although dated I feel it is valid today...

"An intellect which at a certain moment would know all forces that set nature in motion, and all positions of all items of which nature is composed, if this intellect were also vast enough to submit these data to analysis, it would embrace in a single formula the movements of the greatest bodies of the universe and those of the tiniest atom; for such an intellect nothing would be uncertain and the future just like the past would be present before its eyes.

– Essai philosophique sur les probabilités, Introduction. 1814"

So what is the formula?
I have posted it before

P=P


it is that simple but it is where we find P does not equal P we have to add the hard stuff.

In my view that is a staement of the way it is so to describe gravity for example but when we find that one side is different the different is gravity and how one calculates the difference is very difficult.

For example if my approach to gravity is managed this way one would have to examine bodies an gauge the input from heat, spin, distance apart , mass etc....so it is not really simple in application.

Thanks to all for the wonderful input.

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alex, i just read a bit on the 'push' theory of gravity but could not get to the end...

so, is the premise that gravity is caused by inelastic collisions of particles (gravitons? light? ultra-mundane corpuscles?) with bodies such as planets, stars, people, and that the attraction of two bodies is really a result of shadowing and uneven pressure?

if so, and if the interactions are inelastic, would we not see a lot slow collision particles as their energy is lost during collision?

anyway, no real idea what i am talking about...

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AND as lame as you all think my sprite cloud lightning relationship is (and I doubt if anyone gets what I am driving at on this one) I feel the area of sprites is most interesting ..if one reads the latest research there is a great deal of interest in rays apparently generated in this area. Many questions are being raised and I will do my best to answer them.

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