Planet x / Nibiru

geoffrey · #1 02-11-2008, 07:15 PM

it would be very much appreciated if anyone could foward any information about planet X / Nibiru's current postion and any relavent information relating to the affects that it is or may possibly have, if or when it passes through our solar system please only genuine scientific pespectives and please no skeptical,sarcastic or religiously inclined opinions
Thankyou Geoff from the entrance, central coast nsw.

Terry B · #2 02-11-2008, 07:39 PM

Sorry, I have to be at least skeptical as I am yet to see any evidence that "planet X" actually exists.

Ian Robinson · #3 02-11-2008, 07:51 PM

Sorry, but Niburu is a ficticious object , a hoax.

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-...ml#post1170477 says all that needs to be said about it and I refuse to waste my time trying to find any actual evidence it exists or is due to bump into Earth in 2012/13 ....

AstralTraveller (David) · #4 02-11-2008, 08:05 PM

If you look in the archives you should find the previous thread on this subject.

Astro78 · #5 02-11-2008, 11:03 PM

Hi Geoffrey,

It is possible that we are part of a binary star system with a brown dwarf. In 1995 we had not confirmed a single example. Today we have only around 600 known. They are very difficult to detect, especially below 750K. Brown dwarfs are constantly cooling - I wonder how many dip below detectable temperatures every year (and that don't omit other markers such as X-rays). They are known to contain water and are capable of producing planets - as a point of interest.

While i can't say where it is (the CIA keep deleting this

), or even if it exists - i don't believe science can rule it out just yet.

gmbfilter (Geoff) · #6 03-11-2008, 07:53 AM

Hi Geoffrey,
from one Geoff to another. Welcome to IIS

No one seems to actually see Nibiru

Lots of web sites post coordinates but there is never anything there, or coordinates are not real, the whole thing does not make sense, I believe that its a hoax.

That said there is heaps of stuff you can see have a look at this http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/s...t=37171&page=2

Some locals go observing at Mangrove Mountain Pony Club check it out under "Star Parties Clubs and Observing Sessions",there is at least 2 other Geof'fs there http://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=16

ngcles · #7 04-11-2008, 12:02 AM

Hi Geoffrey,

I wasn't going to reply because this topic has been done to death here and elsewhere but ... A lot has been said by others in this thread and the several other threads on this subject so I won't try and re-cap them all or re-hash all the very simple, straight-forward proofs that this supposed object only exists in fantasy except to add one more proof ...

Nibiru is supposed to be in an orbit 4000 yrs long and from that we know it would be travelling at a lot less than escape velocity from our Sun's gravitational pull.

That being so and considering it passage through the inner solar-system (ie our vicintity) is only 3 and a bit years away, it could not currently be further away from the Sun than about Saturn. That being so, given the size etc etc, it would currently be shining in our skies at somewhere between mag +1 and -1 -- ie one of the brightest stars in the night sky and easy naked eye (even assuming a low albiedo).

NASA couldn't keep that quiet -- it is impossible. Hundreds of amateur astronomers around the globe would be "discovering" it every night. Plus, objects of this sort are both (at that sort of range) infrared and radio bright. Probably brighter in these wavelengths than Jupiter. The fact that it is not visible naked eye now and not detectable at these other wavelengths is proof it does not exist.

Simple.

Best,

Les D

Astro78 · #8 04-11-2008, 08:27 AM

Hi Les,

Just wanted to posit if planet x was traveling at say twice your estimate (or even 4x) velocity. Would that still place it roughly near Jupiter with an expected arrival of late 2012?

Without knowing it's mass or velocity, how do you conclude that it cannot escape the Suns gravity pull?

Also i would like to ask how confident you are in saying that such an object must emit radio waves?

I sincerely hope nobody takes offense to these harmless questions to someone I have respected for a long time, Les.

ngcles · #9 04-11-2008, 04:00 PM

Hi Astro 78 & All,

Legitimate questions mate and I will attempt to answer, but my answers are partly speculative as you will see because they depend on what these miscreant believers have informed the world of the characteristics of this so called "object". Believe me, they are as silly as a duck and there is not one shred of evidence to support the claim.

This object does not exist at all except in the minds of those that "believe". I do not for one moment believe it exists.

But, of those that believe, this object is said to be in orbit around the Sun and the orbit is supposed to be 4000 years long (ie it returns to the inner solar-system every 4000 years). If it is in orbit, by definition it cannot be travelling faster than escape velocity (like say the Voyager and Pioneer space probes that are on non-return trajectories away into interstellar spece).

On the basis that it is in orbit it can't realistically be any further away than about Saturn's orbit on the way in.

"Nibiru" often claimed to be a "brown dwarf" or a "failed star". This would put its mass aproximately between 13 and 75 Jupiter masses. However it is often also said that it weighs in at about 4 to 8 Jupiter masses, meaning it is really only a big planet and not a brown dwarf -- as I understand the way Astronomers classify these things.

Irrespective, on the balance, an object of this sort that ordinarily dwells in the far outer solar-system would very likely have a composition and structure similar to Jupiter sized planets ie a mixture of Hydrogen & Helium in gasseous and liquid layers with perhaps a small silicate core.

For an object say, 4-8 Jupiter masses and of similar structure and composition, it would still be approximately the same size as Jupiter (maybe a fraction smaller actually) -- only much denser. Proceeding on these reasonable assumptions (they can only be assumptions because the object actually does not exist at all as I said) it would probably have reasonably similar properties to Jupiter in terms of Albeido (ability to reflect light) and also emit radio and infrared radiation like Jupiter.

Jupiter, at 5 Astronomical Units is ordinarily about visual magnitude -2.2 in our sky here on Earth. It is the 4th brightest object after the Sun, Moon and Venus. If this thing were even 3x further away than Jupiter (ie 15AU -- between Saturn & Uranus) (closer to Uranus actually) it would be about 1/9th as bright as Jupiter putting it at approx 1st magnitude. Because Jupiter is both Infrared and Radio bright as a result of its hot, churning, metallic hydrogen core (Jupiter is the brightest radio object in the night sky) it would stick out like carrot in an omlette to astronomers (amateur and professional) all round the world now. The fact it hasn't been "found" proves it isn't there at all and certainly won't be swinging past in 2012.

Even if it were 100AU out, it would still be very radio bright and would have been detected years and years ago.

No doubt people will now start some silly explaination, like it is made of anti-matter or something that doesn't reflect or emit radiation -- that why we can't see it. Even if this were so, the gravitational effects on the outer planets and KBOs would give it it away pretty quickly.

Hope this helps. Beyond this, I can really only get sarcastic about it.

Best,

Les D

gmbfilter (Geoff) · #10 04-11-2008, 04:22 PM

Thank you for those observations Les.

xelasnave · #11 04-11-2008, 05:50 PM

So what you are saying Les is that you are pretty sure it is out there

I met a chap at my Son,s wedding who was both an astrologer and an astronomer

so you can tell already he must know what he was talking about

and he saw planet x with his 4 inch home built reflector

so its seems a fact dont you think

???

alex

JethroB76 (Jeff) · #12 04-11-2008, 07:30 PM

Was that conversation late in the evening Alex?

Also good to hear Les confirm Planet X's existence

ngcles · #13 04-11-2008, 08:52 PM

Hi Alex & All,

Alex wrote:

" ... he must know what he was talking about and he saw planet x with his 4 inch home built reflector so its seems a fact ..."

Well that's another matter altogether then! I guess if he's seen it it must be there and I'll start my preparations for the coming 2012 disaster tonight.

I should have realised that if it's on the internet, it must be true (yeah, right).

Best,

Les D

Astro78 · #14 04-11-2008, 09:50 PM

Thanks for your reply Les.

xelasnave · #15 06-11-2008, 08:55 PM

When this chap said he was into both I was for once lost for something to say.... and when he said he had discovered a planet I began to wonder ... so I slipped away.

mmm t shirts....I survived the 2012 disaster

alex

AstralTraveller (David) · #16 06-11-2008, 11:11 PM

Don't scoff. It's pretty amazing what you will discover with one of those seemingly ineffective scopes once you place 12 barlows in front of your 4mm Huygens eyepiece.

This imminent disaster is obviously what Obama was referring to when he spoke of 'a planet in peril' during his acceptance speech. Go for it Barrack; you have 4 years to teach the Earth to do a sidestep.

Ian Robinson · #17 07-11-2008, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ngcles

Hi Astro 78 & All,

On the basis that it is in orbit it can't realistically be any further away than about Saturn's orbit on the way in.

"Nibiru" often claimed to be a "brown dwarf" or a "failed star". This would put its mass aproximately between 13 and 75 Jupiter masses. However it is often also said that it weighs in at about 4 to 8 Jupiter masses, meaning it is really only a big planet and not a brown dwarf -- as I understand the way Astronomers classify these things.

Irrespective, on the balance, an object of this sort that ordinarily dwells in the far outer solar-system would very likely have a composition and structure similar to Jupiter sized planets ie a mixture of Hydrogen & Helium in gasseous and liquid layers with perhaps a small silicate core.

For an object say, 4-8 Jupiter masses and of similar structure and composition, it would still be approximately the same size as Jupiter (maybe a fraction smaller actually) -- only much denser. Proceeding on these reasonable assumptions (they can only be assumptions because the object actually does not exist at all as I said) it would probably have reasonably similar properties to Jupiter in terms of Albeido (ability to reflect light) and also emit radio and infrared radiation like Jupiter.

Les D

you can't expect us learned astronomer folks , some of us with actual degrees even in physics to read your rubbish about this ficticous object with up to 7t jupiter masses on a highly elliptical orbit (period 4000 years) with out laughing.

If you know it's position and it's period and mass , where are the gazetted orbital elements ?

Give them and I'll plug them into Guide V8 and produce a finder chart so we can all have at look at it , even a very cold brown dwarf will reflect some sun light and so it will be easy to spot with the naked eye if it is even 1/8 the size of Jupiter in dimensions if it is even as far off as Saturn's orbit (look up gas reflectivities if you don't believe me). We can easily see Saturn and Jupiter with the naked eye because of the reflectivity of hydrogen and methane. It is clear you know nothing about physics.

We should also be hearing of massive orbital perturbations due to its presence in the inner solar system.

None of this has been provided and observed.

So just a load of UNREALISTIC nonsense.

Enough of my valuable time has been wasted reading this person's nonsense about Nibiru (the invisible companion to Sol that no one can see ....)

I'm giving this thread the flick.

Ian Robinson · #18 07-11-2008, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xelasnave

When this chap said he was into both I was for once lost for something to say.... and when he said he had discovered a planet I began to wonder ... so I slipped away.

mmm t shirts....I survived the 2012 disaster

alex

So long as I get to see my first total solar eclipse first ....

The desaster would Palin getting to be president in 2012 .... doesn't bare thinking about. Could she be even more of desaster than Bush Jr has been ?

Ian Robinson · #19 07-11-2008, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

Don't scoff. It's pretty amazing what you will discover with one of those seemingly ineffective scopes once you place 12 barlows in front of your 4mm Huygens eyepiece.

This imminent disaster is obviously what Obama was referring to when he spoke of 'a planet in peril' during his acceptance speech. Go for it Barrack; you have 4 years to teach the Earth to do a sidestep.

Easy fixed , get everyone on earth to jump from 2 m off ground in the right sequence in unison ....

xelasnave · #20 07-11-2008, 09:38 AM

I am guilty of pulling the odd leg....and so often someone will say...

I saw a bright light etc last night do you know what it could be...

I dont know but NASA are tracking a large body on a collision course with Earth...

Thats it thats what I must have seen....

No in a couple of years for the big one...that was space junk entering the atmosphere about 50 miles up about a grain of sand in size....Oh...but this one that could hit in a couple of years ...well lets just say that even the rocks will melt and everything will die...

Yes that sounds right just look at how we are destroying the planet...

Is this guilt universal but it is amazing how folk love to believe outrageous speculation of doom and stuff....and I guess thats the way of it...even I hold unconventional ideas about the Universe...

alex