Moon Hoax

frogman (Anthony Lord) · #1 19-05-2005, 12:37 PM

Guys the builder here is adamant there was NO moon landing , and that the yanks faked the whole thing......
Do you know what part of the moon the landing happened ? and has anyone found the landing site through their scopes ????

Or spotted the lunar "Cart/module" is there any evidence of the landing ????

Tah guys

Anthony

[1ponders] (Paul) · #2 19-05-2005, 12:43 PM

Too small and tooo far for us to see with our scopes. Ask him if the Russians were faking it too. Apollo 11 landed at the edge of the sea of tranquility.

ving (David) · #3 19-05-2005, 12:43 PM

I saw the flag last night.... ok I cant back that up

It a good way to start an arguement tho. I said to a co-worker that it was all a hoax, it never really happened...
now she isnt american or anything but she got really offended by it. she said she considered it the highlight achievement of her generation and to sugest that this achievement was all a hoax was insulting her and everyone in her generation... or something...

there you go hey.

I personally see no harn in believing and will leave an open mind to the whole topic

slice of heaven · #4 19-05-2005, 12:48 PM

Might have to get Mythbusters onto it !

toetoe (Peter) · #5 19-05-2005, 12:51 PM

I would like to believe that it did happen, but it is so hard for one to find out which way to lean as on both sides of the fence there are very strong arguments to say they did and they did not. I think this one will be 50 50 for some time yet.

slice of heaven · #6 19-05-2005, 01:12 PM

Easy, ask the Russians.
They watched and tracked every move the Yanks made.
It was a race between both of them.
They both wanted to claim superiority in the spacerace and the Yanks had had their butts kicked by the Russians in the race for so long. Kennedy used it as a platform to show superiority over the Russians during the cold war. Both wanted to be 'THE' superpower.
At least the race slowed the nuclear accumulation for a while .
The Russians pumped so much money into the race to the moon they couldnt afford to expand their nuclear arsenal.
They stooged the Yanks in this area by assembling the ICBMs in the factory,shipping them out in plain view of the US spy planes, then disassembling them and shipping them back to be rebuilt and so on.

astroron (Ron) · #7 19-05-2005, 01:28 PM

Please tell me how they brought back Moon Rocks to the total I think of 35kg, (it might have been more) which went to laboritaries all over the world and also brought back the camera from one of the surveyer Luner craft luanched a couple of years earlyer, Also since then we have sent space craft to all parts of the Solar system without anyone doubting that they are rearly going there, also note that a guy who called Buzz Aldrin a lyer got a smack in the the face for his troubles. Astroron

slice of heaven · #8 19-05-2005, 01:34 PM

If they had a moon filter for the Hubble maybe we'd get a look.

iceman (Mike) · #9 19-05-2005, 01:35 PM

Check out this site, Bad Astronomy, where Phil Plaitt debunks the moon hoax theory.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

Of course they went to the moon..

astroron (Ron) · #10 19-05-2005, 01:42 PM

Th Hubble Space Telescope is a 2.4m scope looking for something the size os a small shed at 300,000 kms is a bit ofa tall order. also they have imaged the Moon with hubble and it was not any better than ground based images

Astroron

[1ponders] (Paul) · #11 19-05-2005, 01:44 PM

How about using one of the non government owned satellites that take such great close ups of the earth to spin around the other way and snap a few of the landing sites on the moon.

astroron (Ron) · #12 19-05-2005, 01:51 PM

Smart 1 a ESA satalite is currently in orbit around the Moon and is going as close as about 100kms from the surface and they still do not have the resalution power to image such a small object. Astroron

ving (David) · #13 19-05-2005, 01:52 PM

thier orbit of earth is a hell of a lot closer than to the moon... they wouldnt be able to zoom in enought me thinks.

EddieT (Eddie) · #14 19-05-2005, 01:54 PM

Hmm, well it takes a bit to get my goat but this topic gets my whole herd!

For starters, everything man-made on the moon is too small to be seen by any telescope whether earth or space-based. Remember we're talking about seeing something a few meters wide at most, from over a quarter of a million km away! We just don't have the technology. Even the Hubble space telescope has nowhere near the resolution capable of detecting the largest thing we left up there.

I have to say that there is absolutely *no* compelling evidence that the moon landings didn't happen. But unfortunately, a certain level of knowledge in multiple disciplines is needed to understand why the conspiracy *evidence* is made up of completely uninformed observations. it's just too hard to understand without that knowledge.

I also feel sorry for the thousands of people that took part in the most monumental human endeavour ever, only to have it's very existence disputed by an equally monumental lack of understanding.

I personally know someone who worked for channel Nine at Honeysuckle creek, who directly took part in the transmission of the landing. Pulling off a hoax that made it look like the transmission was coming from the moon, to the whole world as the world turned would have been as complex an undertaking as actually landing on it.

The Moon Landings are an accepted part of history. The conspiracy theory was a show produced by Fox television. It's important to remember the difference.

slice of heaven · #15 19-05-2005, 02:05 PM

The link replies well to the Fox program Ice.
The anagram lister at the bottom is nifty too.

The anagram for The bad Astronomer was appropriate
MOON TRASH DEBATER

iceman (Mike) · #16 19-05-2005, 02:08 PM

Bad Astronomy is a great site..

Jonathan · #17 19-05-2005, 02:15 PM

It's an insult to all the people that have spent their lives making it happen to even suggest it was faked.

Here's some light reading that explains many claims of the conspiracy theorists.

http://www.lunaranomalies.com/fake-moon.htm

xstream (John) · #18 19-05-2005, 03:08 PM

More to the point is how they ever managed to bring any of the astronauts back alive during those first Apollo missions.
If any of you ever get the chance read a book called,
"Failure is not an option" by Gene Kranz.
It's about Mission Control from Mercury to Apollo 13 and beyond.
It's a real eye opener. I'll just say I'm glad I never decided to be an Astronaut.

ving (David) · #19 19-05-2005, 03:47 PM

it safer to be an astronaut these days.... none of them leave the planet.

silvinator · #20 19-05-2005, 05:02 PM

I have read many of the conspiracy theorists arguments about why they think the moon landing was fake. Although the reasons may seem plausible at first, once you read the rebuttals for these particular arguments, it is very hard not to see which group is basing their arguments on scientifc fact, and which ones are holding onto their ideals and beliefs in the face of hard scientifc evidence, often just for sake of arguing or because they have a paranoia about government cover ups and conspiracies and simply refuse to be educated by the facts.
There are classic arguments on the Bad Astronomy bulletin boards that I've read. For example, the author of this moon hoax website has constantly had every single one of his arguments debunked and refuted easily. The main defender of the moon landings from these bulletin boards has a website devoted entirely to proving the conspiracy theory wrong. It is at http://www.clavius.org/. I have read through this site, various moon hoax websites, and the majority of the arguments on the Bad Astronomy bulletin boards now and find it very hard to believe anything these conspirarists say about the moon landings.
It is because of astronauts like Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin that I felt compelled to look starward from a very young age. And it saddens me greatly to see this kind of disillusionment and loss of faith in such a wonderful dream as that of landing a human being on the moon. Can we ever reach for anything beyond the stars?
I hope you manage to convince your builder friend Anthony.