Go Back   IceInSpace > General Astronomy > General Chat
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #1  
Old 10-06-2014, 11:26 AM
johnnyt123 (John)
Registered User

johnnyt123 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Belmore, NSW
Posts: 363
Japanese translator

Hey guys...

I purchased an antique samurai sword last week and it has some Japanese inscriptions on the side which i would really like to know what they mean.

So i am hoping that there may be some Japanese fellow amateur asrtonomers out there who could translate it for me....

Thanks in advance..

John
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image (photo.jpg)
197.4 KB97 views
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-06-2014, 11:43 AM
omegacrux's Avatar
omegacrux (David)
Registered User

omegacrux is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ulverstone Tas
Posts: 733
Hi John
Don't know if you are aware that if you take the peg out and remove the grip there can sometimes be a makers mark there !
Beautiful looking blade

David
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-06-2014, 01:29 PM
johnnyt123 (John)
Registered User

johnnyt123 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Belmore, NSW
Posts: 363
Hi David.

I have seen these disassembled. But I have no idea how to do it and I don't want to do anything that might ruin it.

I love the folded pattern on the blade and it's sharp enough to shave with!!!
The previous owner really looked after it well.

I am just hoping someone can translate what the instructions say.....
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-06-2014, 01:44 PM
omegacrux's Avatar
omegacrux (David)
Registered User

omegacrux is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ulverstone Tas
Posts: 733
Any chance of more pics ?
Beautiful bit of metalwork I certainly isn't the common military ones that they produced by the truckloads

David
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-06-2014, 02:45 PM
johnnyt123 (John)
Registered User

johnnyt123 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Belmore, NSW
Posts: 363
This is a shrine sword. So i dont believe it was made for combat.

I could take some more photos for you later on tonight when i get home David..

Last edited by johnnyt123; 10-06-2014 at 02:55 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-06-2014, 03:29 PM
Regulus's Avatar
Regulus (Trevor)
Regulus - Couer de Leon

Regulus is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Devonport, Tasmania
Posts: 2,350
Just sending ur pic to my nephew who is in Japan teaching. Will let you know what he says as soon as he responds

Trev
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-06-2014, 03:38 PM
vaztr (Andrew)
Registered User

vaztr is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: On a dark hill near the ACT
Posts: 121
Could it be...

Caution, sharp edge



VAZ
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-06-2014, 04:41 PM
Steffen's Avatar
Steffen
Ebotec Alpeht Sicamb

Steffen is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Toongabbie, NSW
Posts: 1,974
This could be a bit of a double-edged sword...

Cheers
Steffen.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-06-2014, 04:46 PM
Baddad's Avatar
Baddad (Marty)
Teknition

Baddad is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 1,721
Hi Andrew & Steffen,



Hi John,

Nice looking bit of antique weaponry or ornament.

Cheers
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-06-2014, 05:15 PM
johnnyt123 (John)
Registered User

johnnyt123 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Belmore, NSW
Posts: 363
LOL Andrew and Steffen

Very sharp indeed.

Thanks Trevor. Eagerly awaiting your Nephews response...

I will upload more pics for those of you who are interested later om tonight...
I am still stuck at work...

Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 10-06-2014, 05:19 PM
johnnyt123 (John)
Registered User

johnnyt123 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Belmore, NSW
Posts: 363
or i could just upload them now...
These are the pics the previous owner sent me..
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image ($_57 (10).JPG)
110.7 KB52 views
Click for full-size image ($_57 (9).JPG)
59.8 KB49 views
Click for full-size image ($_57 (8).JPG)
65.4 KB52 views
Click for full-size image ($_57 (7).JPG)
53.6 KB49 views
Click for full-size image ($_57 (6).JPG)
74.8 KB45 views
Click for full-size image ($_57 (5).JPG)
85.0 KB41 views
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 10-06-2014, 05:20 PM
johnnyt123 (John)
Registered User

johnnyt123 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Belmore, NSW
Posts: 363
and a few more..

As you can see... there are depictions of the romantic life of a Geisha and Samurai....
Attached Thumbnails
Click for full-size image ($_57 (4).JPG)
79.9 KB35 views
Click for full-size image ($_57 (3).JPG)
74.0 KB35 views
Click for full-size image ($_57 (2).JPG)
86.4 KB33 views
Click for full-size image ($_57 (1).JPG)
75.2 KB34 views
Click for full-size image ($_57.JPG)
71.3 KB35 views
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 10-06-2014, 05:49 PM
Steffen's Avatar
Steffen
Ebotec Alpeht Sicamb

Steffen is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Toongabbie, NSW
Posts: 1,974
The sword has raised a bit of interest here at work, even though no one could read the inscription. Discussion points were:
  • The inscription could also be in Chinese and is most definitely not modern. Probably a name (maker, workshop?) followed by a year. Most likely not "Made in China"
  • A katana and its sheath goes on the rack with the curve pointed up, but then the ornamentation would be upside-down?
  • A katana doesn't normally have a curved handle.

Cheers
Steffen.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 10-06-2014, 06:17 PM
johnnyt123 (John)
Registered User

johnnyt123 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Belmore, NSW
Posts: 363
well i am no sword expert, hence why I be asking these questions....

For all i know it could very well be made in china....

thats why i want to get some information on what the inscriptions say...
I might look at the makers mark by removing the handle as David suggested...

The previous owner explained that this was a shrine sword and not a battle sword, hence the curved handle.

the sheath and handle is all made from brass. its quite heavy to carry around on the battle field......

Thanks to every one for all your input so far...I didnt expect it would generate much interest.... I just thought i might get one simple reply..."the inscriptions mean...bla bla bla bla"

John
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 10-06-2014, 06:37 PM
Regulus's Avatar
Regulus (Trevor)
Regulus - Couer de Leon

Regulus is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Devonport, Tasmania
Posts: 2,350
Just saw the photos - that's a beautiful thing u have there. Looks very Kama Sutra too, and I guess a sword is needed in the boudoir? :-)
On the subject of curves - no curves: the very famous sword known as the 'Washing Pole' had no curve at all. I think with more research it could be possible to find instances of straight blades and/or curved handles.
I believe the straight handle and curved blade is a good general rule but that exceptions were made (at least the Washing Pole was exceptional).
I am really curious about this.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 10-06-2014, 08:41 PM
LewisM's Avatar
LewisM
Novichok test rabbit

LewisM is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Somewhere in the cosmos...
Posts: 10,388
Ask Mill here - he colects Katana's etc.

Never seen one with a curved handle like that. The tsuba (crossguard) looks somewhat unsual in some ways too, but being perhaps decorative/ceremonial, who knows.

I only have one Katana - the Shin Gunto my Grandfather brought back from Balikpapan.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 10-06-2014, 08:44 PM
LewisM's Avatar
LewisM
Novichok test rabbit

LewisM is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Somewhere in the cosmos...
Posts: 10,388
PS: I am SURE you know this, but whatever you do, do NOT attempt to polish the brass etc - it'll kill the value instantly to half what you paid for it.

Originality and patina is the key with these.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 10-06-2014, 09:41 PM
johnnyt123 (John)
Registered User

johnnyt123 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Belmore, NSW
Posts: 363
Thanks for that advice Lewis.
I was told to only oil the blade every 3 months or so.
But nothing about polishing the brass.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 10-06-2014, 09:55 PM
johnnyt123 (John)
Registered User

johnnyt123 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Belmore, NSW
Posts: 363
So the mystery remains as to the origin and nature of this samurai sword....
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 10-06-2014, 10:35 PM
PCH's Avatar
PCH (Paul)
Registered User

PCH is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Perth WA
Posts: 2,313
John,

I know nothing about swords or blades, but I'd be tempted to google 'samurai sword forums'.

When you find one, join it and ask your questions there. You'll have all the answers in no time at all.

Just my unknowledgable 2 bobs worth
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time is now 07:20 AM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.7 | Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement
Bintel
Advertisement