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Old 26-01-2014, 09:18 AM
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United Optics UO 102 4 inch Refractor OTA

For Sale - United Optics UO 102 Achromatic 102mm Refractor Telescope OTA

I got given this in a trade, and do not need it - Brand new in original packaging

102mm Aperture
1100mm Focal length
Japanese premium doublet lens multi coated
Premium powder coated gloss white steel tube
Screw on steel front cap
US Made premium Crayford dual speed 2 inch focuser with 1.25 inch adaptor
Anti marring compression bands on both 2 inch and 1.25 inch connections
Premium tube rings (Parallax type)
Vixen dovetail

These are sold at $ 899 - link - http://www.astronomyalive.com.au/spo...telescope.html

Price $ 400

Plus shipment nationally at cost via courier
Commercial - direct bank account deposit or cash with thanks
Supplier twelve month warranty applies as this is brand new in original packaging

Thanks for looking
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Old 26-01-2014, 11:11 AM
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I'm a bit confused , isn't the scope and focuser made in China ?
The only United Optics company I could find is here
http://www.united-optics.com/product.../102_F-11.html
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Old 26-01-2014, 11:40 AM
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Thanks Kunama
I was beginning to think the Chinese are doing so well that they are getting the Japanese and Americans to make stuff for them
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Old 26-01-2014, 12:08 PM
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Dear I In S'ers

Thank you for the enquiries.

the lens is Japanese and the focuser is American, the tube is Chinese and the system is assembled in Kunming. Taking advantage of some really nice bits at both ends, ie: lens and focuser.

Similar performance and design intent to the old series achromats from people such as Unitron, but with modern multi coatings on the lens, plus a more modern dual speed Crayford focuser

Trust this assists.

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Old 26-01-2014, 01:49 PM
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Old 26-01-2014, 01:57 PM
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I stand corrected

Could you tell me which company made the lens and focuser .
I was hoping that the focuser was a Feather Touch but it looks exactly the same as the Chinese one
Is there certification of some sort ?

Do you have United Optics custom make scopes for you ? I noticed on your website that the 102mm F7 triplet is flourite the optics are Japan but looks the exactly the same as the Chinese .
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Old 26-01-2014, 09:27 PM
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Thanks for getting back to me.
I wish I was as trusting as you are but I still can't figure out how a focuser that uses Feather Touch components looks exactly the same as the Chinese one and doesn't have any labeling showing its from the USA , a lot of trouble to copy a Chinese focuser.
There are are a lot of these scopes on the net that look identical and no one claims them to have a Made In The USA focuser or Japanese optics .
So sadly with no proof of your claims I will have to withdraw my interest.
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Old 27-01-2014, 02:52 AM
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Nice scope and price , would this be one of the TelVue designed achro lenses , that are made in Taiwan to TV's spec's that "Skylight telescopes ' England , put in their classic black and brass scopes ? if so it will be a beauty .
They call the planetary scopes f11.4 - f15 , very nice objectives .
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Old 27-01-2014, 07:00 AM
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Hi Brian
According to the seller the optics come from " Kagamatsu, Nagoya, using O'Hara Glass "
I couldn't find any info on the net Hmmm
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Old 27-01-2014, 08:45 AM
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Dear I In Ser's,

Thank you for all the commentary, gee this is getting some comments. These comments should be included in this ad ? I am not sure it's the right place for them.

My I ask a question, when was the last time you visited Japan, and when was the last time you visited Kunming. If the answer is not "recent" why is there so much banter on I In S about where and what. I visit Japan (for Business) every 10 - 12 weeks, and have done this for over thirty years. Plus also visited Kunming a month ago. If you want a list of who makes what in Japan, Taiwan and China I suggest contacting myself via PM may be a more suitable strategy. You would get some big surprises, particularly with Tak, as they make less of their system that any of you know of.

There are dozens of optical products manufacturer's that I know in Japan, many of them are companies that support Vixen, Takahashi and such. You would not recognise the names of any of them, as they are not direct suppliers, they support the OE market. One of these is the lens supplier in this case. If I mentioned some of their names here this would merely create further enquiry within this ad with further questions about them and what they do. And make this ad look even more like a technical thread. These Japanese OE suppliers (I visit at least two, and usually four on each trip to Japan) are not your standard Japanese telescope suppliers, they do not have good English You need to speak their language. But - and this is the critical point - they DO sell to people who visit them and review in with them in their native tongue. Kagamatsu are one of the largest lens makers in the world, but unless you speak and read Japanese you would not know of them. They also support the world's largest camera manufacturers as well.

I recommend that those with more questions contact me via PM instead of making this ad look like it should be moved to a technical forum

Trust this clarifies.

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Old 27-01-2014, 09:36 AM
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All we want is proof to back up your claims.

The scope looks exactly the same as the regular Chinese one and you have no proof to show its anything but that .

Are we supposed to beleave that you have telescopes custom made for to look exactly the same as the original Chinese ones ? The Americans are now making copies of Chinese focusers.

Its not our fault if you cant back up your claims and have the reputation that you do. ( I have recieved a lot of PMs in that respect )
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Old 27-01-2014, 09:52 AM
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PM sent to Astromelb with copies of emails from Astro Physics.

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Old 27-01-2014, 10:00 AM
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Dear Kunama (Matt),

With respect sir, you are yet again out of your depth. You are not the Oracle of Astronomy, and are turning this into a circus, yet again

When you have over 50 years experience in astronomy, and nearly four decades experience in designing telescopes both locally and globally I will take you seriously.

Good luck to you, you have yet again screwed with my ads, I hope you are happy with yourself.

Plus your comments about AP are wrong, you didn't even attempt to clarify with myself before publishing scandalous material, again The telescope was actually bought by a member of the AP team, as he knew its heritage and jumped at it.

Who the hell to you think you are !!
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Old 27-01-2014, 10:19 AM
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no need to get personal if this is different to the $499 delivered in the US ones just stick up the paperwork from the supplier stating whats fitted (or the order specifying or something?) I dont have 100 years experience but In no fool either....... aparently these are not too bad but if its different (better) to the 499's Id want to see something to part with the extra cash
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Old 27-01-2014, 11:12 AM
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Dear Kunama (Matt),

With respect sir, you are yet again out of your depth. You are not the Oracle of Astronomy, and are turning this into a circus, yet again

When you have over 50 years experience in astronomy, and nearly four decades experience in designing telescopes both locally and globally I will take you seriously.

Good luck to you, you have yet again screwed with my ads, I hope you are happy with yourself.

Plus your comments about AP are wrong, you didn't even attempt to clarify with myself before publishing scandalous material, again The telescope was actually bought by a member of the AP team, as he knew its heritage and jumped at it.

Who the hell to you think you are !!
My apologies to you sir if my enquiries have upset you, of course I don't have your experience in Astronomy, in fact I have only been involved in casual sense for about 35 years in total. So no I doubt I will ever reach the heights of your experience.

I guess I could have been more involved in Astronomy had I taken up the research position in Radio Astronomy I was offered in the 1970's, but being the fool I am, I chose instead to investigate fraud and spend more than 2 decades as a Federal Agent investigating major crime including time with the Organised Crime Branch, Operations Response Division as well as 5 years as a Senior Criminal Adjudicator with the AFP's Legal Services Division.

So whilst I know jack all about astronomy, I do have some very handy skills.

This will be our last communication on this forum Astromelb.
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Old 27-01-2014, 11:46 AM
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Some posts have been deleted that are not appropriate.
It's been brought to Mike's attention and he'll have a look at this thread as soon as he gets back.

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Old 27-01-2014, 12:42 PM
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Like I said, Mike will deal with this when he gets back.
Till then I am locking this thread.

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