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Old 11-01-2013, 12:23 PM
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Of late all the focus and attention of those who like their imaging gear small (relatively) inexpensive and highly portable has been (deservedly) on the Vixen Polarie.

I have one and love it.

However, I have been having great fun with my Astrotrac which I find is really capable and ticks all the boxes (as far as I am concerned in terms of simplicity, lack of hassle and portability)

I have teamed the Astrotrac with a Borg 45ED (with a 0.8 focal reducer) and a Canon 450D. Occasionally, Ill just use the canon kit lens

I have two ED telescopes, two mounts a CG5 meant be the portable mount and an EQ6), two cooled QHY CCDs and for the past year have not touched any of these, so clearly I must like the Astrotrac. (and Polarie which I use when I cant use the Astrotrac for any reason )

I plan to image the Messier catalogue with the astrotrac, which given how infrequently I get out is a long term project.

Here are some results to date



http://www.flickr.com/photos/9178472...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/9178472...n/photostream/


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if you cant be bothered clicking on links here are are smaller images

any comments or feedback is welcome.

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Old 11-01-2013, 12:58 PM
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yes i love my astrotrac as well. how long did you do on each - 90min? you must have got the polar alignment done fairly well
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Old 11-01-2013, 01:20 PM
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Hi Houghy

Usually 90 second subs and about an hour or so in total. Once the astro trac runs out of track and needs to be reset I find it impossible to reframe the target exactly, so am limited by that in terms of total exposure.


I am drift aligning
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:51 PM
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Nice set of images Narayan.

Clear skies

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Old 11-01-2013, 05:19 PM
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Wow, fantastic. Nuff said.
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Old 11-01-2013, 07:41 PM
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Yep, I love mine.
So did the previous owner (well known IIS member)
So does another IIS member that has borrowed it a few times now (and he has already reserved it for another outback adventure in July )

They are great bits of kit even with the two-hour limit before having to rewind.
The whole kit(pier+wedge+head+counterweights etc etc) is kinda expensive but well worth it in my opinion.
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Old 11-01-2013, 08:58 PM
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Yep, I love mine.
So did the previous owner (well known IIS member)
So does another IIS member that has borrowed it a few times now (and he has already reserved it for another outback adventure in July )

They are great bits of kit even with the two-hour limit before having to rewind.
The whole kit(pier+wedge+head+counterweights etc etc) is kinda expensive but well worth it in my opinion.

I don't have the pier and head/counterweight but I have seen it in operation most notably at November's eclipse.

It's a nice bit of kit ..and as far as I am concerned has stopped me from sliding down the slippery slope of ever more expensive mounts and telescopes and CCDs.
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:17 PM
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Great looking wide photos Narayan.


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Old 11-01-2013, 10:54 PM
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Good work, Narayan!
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:48 PM
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Remarkably good Narayan.

I love the whitish/golden Sagitarrius area shots. A real Canon trademark look on those areas.

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Old 12-01-2013, 06:41 PM
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I can here the excitement in you voice,and I can see why....lovely set of pics Narayan.
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:10 PM
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Thanks for the comments, Ross, Laurie, Greg and Louie.
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Old 12-01-2013, 08:43 PM
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Great pics! Good to see such high quality longer focal length shots from an AstroTrac. I also love mine.

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Hi Houghy

Usually 90 second subs and about an hour or so in total. Once the astro trac runs out of track and needs to be reset I find it impossible to reframe the target exactly, so am limited by that in terms of total exposure.

I am drift aligning
How long do you spend on the drift alignment?

Regarding re-framing. I find it easy because I have a ball joint between AT and camera which has two separate adjustments for rotation vs other directions. As such I can rewind the AT then unlock the rotation of the ball joint and rotate it back the appropriate amount (30 degrees if it's the full 2 hours but I usually base it on a star's position in one far corner of the FOV). Just a tip in case you haven't tried that. It's not perfect but it's easy to get very close and there's only variation in the RA because I won't have adjusted it in other directions.

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Fantastic images! I'm the previous owner of Simon's AstroTrac kit... I'd definitely like to get another one again in the future
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Thanks Roger and Dave. It was both your wonderful images with an Astrotrac that convinced me of this mounts abilities.

Roger, drift aligning the astrotrac does take some time. Since I don't have an eyepiece in my set up and I am not using PHD to autoguide, the drift alignment consists of getting close using an altimeter and compass, then pointing at a star at the meridian as you would for normal drift alignment; taking initially 30 sec image, making an adjustment in azimuth till the star is round at 30 sec (guess a direction and see if it is getting better or worse); then going up to a minute and repeating. Usually try to get at least 3 minutes with no noticeable drift, though have gone as long as 7 minutes.

then repeating with a star on the western horizon for altitude correction-usually this doesn't need a huge change as I am back at the same dark site.

Find I sometimes need to tweak again in azimuth after getting the altitude right.

It is not as bad as it sounds but it is not a 5 minute job. And I have the astrotrac wedge
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Regarding re-framing. I find it easy because I have a ball joint between AT and camera which has two separate adjustments for rotation vs other directions. As such I can rewind the AT then unlock the rotation of the ball joint and rotate it back the appropriate amount (30 degrees if it's the full 2 hours but I usually base it on a star's position in one far corner of the FOV). Just a tip in case you haven't tried that. It's not perfect but it's easy to get very close and there's only variation in the RA because I won't have adjusted it in other directions.

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I might give this a try next time, thanks
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Old 16-01-2013, 03:47 PM
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Dam it I hate you Narayan They are excellent images Looks like drift alignment has paid off.

I think im going to have to bite the bullet and do the same with mine as I can't seem to get good alignment without it.

What are you mounting the Borg 45ED on?
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Hi Mohammed

The Borg sits on a heavy duty Benro ball head, which sits on an Astrotrac wedge, which in turn sits on a heavy duty Benro tripod.

Always hang a weight off the tripods hook to lower centre of gravity and add a bit of stability

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Hi Mohammed

The Borg sits on a heavy duty Benro ball head, which sits on an Astrotrac wedge, which in turn sits on a heavy duty Benro tripod.

Always hang a weight off the tripods hook to lower centre of gravity and add a bit of stability

Narayan
Hi Narayan,

I also have a heavy duty Benro tripod, but use a Manfrotto 410 geared head (which i love) and 486rc2 ball head (which i hate!).

Another question, when you drift align are you running the astrotrac in test mode and following the ccd drift alignment (i.e. run it fordward 1min then backward 1 min etc..) or are you simply just imaging for 30seconds while the astrotrac is tracking normally?

Thanks again
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Old 18-01-2013, 07:01 PM
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I tried that running one minute forward and then back but I could never really get it to work

I just start the Astrotrac tracking normally and take as I said first 30 sec then longer images and try to get rid of trailing

The only glitch I have found is sometimes I get to talking with people and forget which way I adjusted in azimuth and invariably guess wrong undoing any progress I was making .. But that's just operator stupidity not a process fault
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