Go Back   IceInSpace > General Astronomy > General Chat
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #121  
Old 05-12-2008, 08:16 PM
capella (Steve)
Registered User

capella is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Greenwood WA
Posts: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by avandonk View Post
Everybody is entitled to their own delusions. Just don't expect me to even consider them as anywhere near rational. I have not bothered to read any previous posts that UFO's in the sense that they are alien are real, as they will be the usual pap.

Concrete physical evidence is what is needed. None so far?

Keep looking!

Sorry to be such a pain, but that is how this subject makes me feel.

Bert
Spot on Bert, as I have said in a recent post, how anybody in this day and age can believe in alien ufos is beyond my comprehension. Life in the universe maybe, invaders from space... not a chance.

Steve.
Reply With Quote
  #122  
Old 05-12-2008, 08:59 PM
xelasnave's Avatar
xelasnave
Gravity does not Suck

xelasnave is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Tabulam
Posts: 17,003
Well would we know if anyone is visiting.

I have been to the pub...man what an experience.

Near had a fist fight literally within the first two minutes of arrival...the dam fools...he must have thought I was going to hit him as I walked back to him after a smart arrrrrrz remark because he covered his face and two bystanders ran to stand before me and him... I just dont want a ticket in the meat tray and I dont like chewing my cabage twice so listen to what I say I wont say it again.....anyways this other idiot was ranting at me..folks from the city etc. as if I had just arrived in town... I have been in the area twelve years and he thinks because he has not seen me before that I never existed... and so I thought well if an alien chouse to live quietly on 200 acres and keep to himself and never go to the pub as far as everyone would be concerned that alien would not exist....

Why do these idiots seek me out.
I even bought a red wine to see if he had any more to say ...they dont like wine drinkers as they think they are fagots... no one was game to say a thing.

Gee it is good to be back with my dogs.
The crazy woman rang and abused me for not taking her calls... well why call you hate me remember.

So everything fine here. I hope so.

AND as usual Bert you are on the money one would think given the many visits and all the anal probing we should have a pile of credible evidence and of course there is none.

AND thank you Les that is very kind of you.

I try to be myself and be honest in the sharing of what is going thru my head... and I recognise a few of my ideas may amuse some and annoy others but hopefully folk can respect my honesty.

Sorry to rattle on but I found tonight extremely distressing I am not a bash artist but I wont back down from a fool either and wont stand someone making a smart arrrrzzzz remark as I walk away... simple...but I bet he never does it again.

alex
Reply With Quote
  #123  
Old 05-12-2008, 11:13 PM
Glenhuon (Bill)
Registered User

Glenhuon is offline
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Geraldton, WA
Posts: 1,440
Have'nt been following this post really, but heard a cracker tonight on a Star Stuff podcast. Some guy saying the Hadron Collider would cause a global disaster and the aliens from Nibiru were just waiting for when we were weakened and would come in and take over. It was a short clip and finished quickly, I think it was when the nice men in the white coats took him away

Bill
Reply With Quote
  #124  
Old 06-12-2008, 01:40 PM
Ric's Avatar
Ric
Support your local RFS

Ric is offline
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Wamboin NSW
Posts: 12,405
Quote:
Originally Posted by RB View Post
LOL Ric, what if the UFO hovers just above you?
In that case it will be another one of those classic blurred photo's that we always see.
Reply With Quote
  #125  
Old 07-12-2008, 10:24 AM
Jen's Avatar
Jen
Moving to Pandora

Jen is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Swan Hill
Posts: 7,102
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ric View Post
In that case it will be another one of those classic blurred photo's that we always see.


Reply With Quote
  #126  
Old 07-12-2008, 10:26 AM
RB's Avatar
RB (Andrew)
Moderator

RB is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 26,631
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ric View Post
In that case it will be another one of those classic blurred photo's that we always see.
Reply With Quote
  #127  
Old 07-12-2008, 12:24 PM
jungle11's Avatar
jungle11 (Greg)
The Dobslinger

jungle11 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yuleba, Australia
Posts: 250
Hey Elmer (if you're still about that is) I thought I'd add this.

If you want to study what is a contravercial subject like UFOs or UAS, it would be best to make sure you study some of the skeptics web sites as well. Everyone here knows i keep an open mind, but i do realise most ufo site (they almost always assume any sighting must be aliens) draw alot of conclusions from minimal evidence. A skeptic website (many of which are run by REAL scientists) can point out the obvious mistakes - and outright lies - of a believer's site. In the end it will give you a more accurate account of the phenomenon, whatever it may or may not be.
Choice is yours

Cheers
Reply With Quote
  #128  
Old 08-12-2008, 05:04 PM
Jen's Avatar
Jen
Moving to Pandora

Jen is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Swan Hill
Posts: 7,102
Nicely said Greg but i think we already scared him away from this thread
Reply With Quote
  #129  
Old 08-12-2008, 05:46 PM
jungle11's Avatar
jungle11 (Greg)
The Dobslinger

jungle11 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yuleba, Australia
Posts: 250
Agreed!
To tell the truth, I'm pretty scared to write anything here myself!
Reply With Quote
  #130  
Old 08-12-2008, 10:29 PM
Geoff45's Avatar
Geoff45 (Geoff)
PI rules

Geoff45 is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 2,631
If there's anything true in UFO's with humanoid creatures coming out of spaceships I guess it would be that they are genuine human beings from the future who have mastered time travel and are checking on their primitive ancestors.
Geoff
Reply With Quote
  #131  
Old 09-12-2008, 12:35 AM
Clarry's Avatar
Clarry (Clayton)
"L" plater

Clarry is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bonnet Bay Sydney
Posts: 223
Quote:
Originally Posted by ghsmith45 View Post
If there's anything true in UFO's with humanoid creatures coming out of spaceships I guess it would be that they are genuine human beings from the future who have mastered time travel and are checking on their primitive ancestors.
Geoff
With respect Geoff, exactly what is it about supposed UFO sightings that makes you think they are time travelers? I don't mean to be confrontational, but I just wonder why people leap to such far fetched assumptions to explain the unexplained.
Reply With Quote
  #132  
Old 09-12-2008, 09:45 AM
jungle11's Avatar
jungle11 (Greg)
The Dobslinger

jungle11 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yuleba, Australia
Posts: 250
He only said if mate -
Reply With Quote
  #133  
Old 09-12-2008, 10:35 AM
jungle11's Avatar
jungle11 (Greg)
The Dobslinger

jungle11 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yuleba, Australia
Posts: 250
Thinking on the assumption that certain stories are true, and aliens in question are bipedal, almost identical to us I can think of three things.

1) It is anthromorphism, the way God is referred to as He or Him, or Jesus portrayed as a caucasian - just humans imposing their pre-conceptions on an idea.
2) Geoff's idea - that it is us from the future - perhaps after generations of genetic engineering. Would explain why they don't ever want to make contact, why they don't mind being seen on occasion (because they know from experience that the idea is laughable in the present) Hey maybe it could even explain drunken spaceships - a wriggle here n there seems much more unbelievable!
3) Perhaps evolution, of which we have only Earth as a guide, often follows similar paths - producing successfull designs.

Whats wrong with pondering? Good for a laugh - as long as you don't take it seriously. Personally, I wouldn't expect aliens to look anything like us (there we go - another assumption). Just because someone ponders these things doesn't mean they are loco - or that they will believe everything that they hear - they are only doing what humans enjoy doing. Wondering.

cheers
Reply With Quote
  #134  
Old 09-12-2008, 11:20 AM
AstralTraveller's Avatar
AstralTraveller (David)
Registered User

AstralTraveller is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wollongong
Posts: 3,819
Quote:
Originally Posted by jungle11 View Post
3) Perhaps evolution, of which we have only Earth as a guide, often follows similar paths - producing successfull designs.

You call us a successful design? Strewth mate! Wait till your my age and suffer the aches and pains I have. If we are so well designed why do we have a structure, the spine, which was originally a bridge but is now a column? It's a real pain in the neck ... lower back and thorax. To me that single trait shows that evolution does not necessarily produce an optimal design AND disproves intelligent design. And don't even start me on why males have sensitive reproductive organs on the outside. We all know where that's a pain.
Reply With Quote
  #135  
Old 09-12-2008, 11:42 AM
jungle11's Avatar
jungle11 (Greg)
The Dobslinger

jungle11 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yuleba, Australia
Posts: 250
oops
Reply With Quote
  #136  
Old 09-12-2008, 12:06 PM
Geoff45's Avatar
Geoff45 (Geoff)
PI rules

Geoff45 is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Sydney
Posts: 2,631
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clarry View Post
With respect Geoff, exactly what is it about supposed UFO sightings that makes you think they are time travelers? I don't mean to be confrontational, but I just wonder why people leap to such far fetched assumptions to explain the unexplained.
Well first of all it's a ridiculous suggestion on my part which I don't really believe. However, it seems to me that many of the reported "aliens" are tall, blond and handsome versions of us. The chances of evolution producing such an item on another planet are so small as to be discounted. Hence they really must be related to us in some way and since their techniques are so advanced it points to time travellers. On the other hand, if you believe in god, then perhaps he made us and the aliens in his own image--hence the similarity. But that's another can of worms to open ....
Reply With Quote
  #137  
Old 09-12-2008, 09:43 PM
Jen's Avatar
Jen
Moving to Pandora

Jen is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Swan Hill
Posts: 7,102
Quote:
Originally Posted by jungle11 View Post
Agreed!
To tell the truth, I'm pretty scared to write anything here myself!

now ive got that Sneaky Sound System's song U.F.O. in my head

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=oXDJN9sqgP4
Reply With Quote
  #138  
Old 11-12-2008, 05:27 PM
ngcles's Avatar
ngcles
The Observologist

ngcles is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Billimari, NSW Central West
Posts: 1,664
You thought this was a dead thread?

Hi All,

A Reprot in the Sydney Daily Telegraph of a Google Earth image of a "UFO" (their word -- not mine) over Miller's Point, Sydney. In fact, if you look at the pic, Sydney Observatory is just off the image at right (at the top of Windmill Hill) about 300m away from where the image was taken

The report in "The Tele" is here:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...001021,00.html

Which only shows the mainstream media's propensity to "never let the facts get in the way of a good story". It is very, very obviously an imaging artefact and shows the power of the popular media to potentially manipulate opinion.

Now, just to show I can be objective about these things, in the same article there is a link to another article in the UK Sun newspaper which is here:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1836403.ece

And relates to footage shot of several "UFO's" (their word again -- not mine) in Istanbul. The article is interesting reading and raises several points for discussion. There are a number of apparently unsubstantiated claims based at least on the video clips by both the person who shot the video, from the Sirius Space Science Research Centre and within the article apparently by the writer.

These (as I see 'em) are some interesting points about the story:

(1) "THIS astonishing video footage is claimed to be the "most important images of a UFO ever filmed" – and is said to even depict ALIENS."

Not supported on the images at all.

(2) The 42-year-old and a number of residents claim the UFOs were spotted over a four month period between May and September near the compound in Istanbul.

Interesting that it is called a "compound" what sort of "compound". The word in this context more often than not is used next to "military". Is it a military compound? We don't know. If it is, then there may well be a rational explaination, but they don't say one way or the other.

(3) "International UFO researcher Haktan Akdogan said: "In this amazing video footage, physical forms of UFOs and their metallic structures are clearly noticeable."

The video on the site does not conclusively support this by any means. Can other footage that is not part of the clip? Dunno. No evidence at all that it is "metallic".

(4) The clips are a compilation of video shot on several nights over several months. There are subtitles in English of what is said presumably in Turkish. Regarding the one on 3rd June, one of the speakers says in talking of its location in the sky "yes, at the corner of this bright star" (emphasis added)

Close to a bright star? Note the time of morning. Is this possibly some sort of an out of focus artefact from imaging Venus or Jupiter that is just out of frame?

(5) The maker of the movie says "I was very excited when I saw them and I want the world to know that UFOs do exist”.

An interesting statement. An inference is possibly supported that this person was already a "believer" before the videos were made??

(6) "What is more important is that in the close-up of some footages of the objects, entities in them can be distinctly made out."

No support at all for this in the video I saw.

If you go here (A UFO site) you will see longer video of the same stuff (about 17 mins):

http://www.ufodata.co.uk/index1.htm

On many occasions, you will see the Moon not far out of shot or visible in a wider angle. I have used a planetarium programme to get a simulated sky for the time, location etc and looked in the area around the moon. When you check the phase of the Moon in the video against the embedded date and the planetarium program, occasionally they don't add up.

On the video purporting to be shot on 8 June, the video shows a gibbous moon when in fact on that date it was a 23% waxing crescent and was not above the horizon at 2.30am.

On the 23 May 2008 the Moon phase is approximately correct and they film a "dot" moving near the moon. Follow the motion of the dot relative to the Moon and it is clearly an internal reflection of the moon within the optics.

On 27 May it is again near the Moon in the video and the phase appears to be correct. Curiously it sems to be in the same position relative to the Moon as shown on 23 May.

On 6 and 8 June there is no Moon in the shot -- no conclusions. On the other shots, where there are some lights shown, many of these are very close to the horizon which appears to be the sea.

I also note that most of the shots appear to be at pretty extreme zoom factors and the "object" seems to change proportions (length -v- breadth) a bit when zooming.

I think nearly all of the "close-ups" are most likely a reflection or an optical artefact within the camera or possibly a reflection off something outside the camera of some sort. Take a look at the video by all means

The video is interesting but is it as touted "most important images of a UFO ever filmed"?

Is that the best they can come up with?

What do you think?


Best,

Les D
Reply With Quote
  #139  
Old 11-12-2008, 06:34 PM
jungle11's Avatar
jungle11 (Greg)
The Dobslinger

jungle11 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Yuleba, Australia
Posts: 250
The first example is obviously an artefact - you're definately right about the media's ability to umm....crap on!

The second...there's some big calls there too - I watched that footage maybe 2 months ago, no entities (and at the apparent distance it was filmed from how could you possibly make out shapes, at times it sort of appeared metalic but 'sort of' doesn't imply good evidence. Could well have been faked - especially with the moon phases not always matching up.

I guess if the media can drum up a sensation, they will sell more mags - same with any subject really
Reply With Quote
  #140  
Old 11-12-2008, 07:50 PM
thunderchildobs
Registered User

thunderchildobs is online now
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Ipswich, Qld, Aust
Posts: 639
Here's proof that we are in the middle of an inter-galatic war.

Strange 1/2 human 1/2 animals mutants invaded the earth during the time of the Egyptians.

These were defeated by the "Gods" of Olympus with their flying chariots during the time of the Greeks.

In turn they were beaten by Angels, Gargoyles and dragons during the dark ages.

Finally the "Greys" are now in charge of the earth with their spaceships.

What is also scarry, is that the Alien technology has shown significance improvements.

Now back to the Stargate DVDs.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +10. The time is now 08:56 PM.

Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.7 | Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Advertisement
Bintel
Advertisement