Need to know about UFO’s!!

[capella (Steve)]

Originally Posted by Clarry

Umm, I do believe the South African Cricket Team are called The Proteas, although I think they use to be Springboks like their rugby brothers.

Hi Clarry, don't say no more, I understand, let's keep this between ourselves! the Proteas are aliens from another planet, I managed to work that out. Alien Prisoners from ROswell Taken to arEA 51.

Yeah I'm bonkers.

Steve...unbeliever.

[jungle11 (Greg)]

Oh my God!!!

If you do it this way:

Alien Prisoners from ROswell Captured and Taken to arEA - 51

Don't you see people, now it's a brand of anal probe....

[xelasnave]

Are you sure you guys are not aliens?
alex

[PeterM]

How about,

UFO = FLYING SAUCER/SPACESHIP & ALIENS, sorry but that's it, always everytime to those who must believe. If you tell them about Venus, or Sirius setting with every colour of the rainbow, about Iridium flares, space junk, etc etc most just turn off, it wasn't what they were hoping to hear. But give them the slightest hint (try it, it is a lot of fun) well I hadn't told anyone but....I saw something I just couldn't explain - you an amateur astronomer wow, then watch the discussion explode, give them an inch and... That is the problem with this thread and every discussion ever had anywhere about UFOs. Discussion about intelligent life in the universe is not the same as need to know about UFOs and there are two threads going on in one here and one of them belongs on another chat group somewhere else altogether. Yes at public field nights the question is raised, but far, far less than some might think. People are there to see the wonders of the their universe and mostly ask intelligent questions about it. If I have been asked have I ever seen a UFO or do I believe in UFOs a dozen times in many years of showing thousands the night sky I would be surprised.
PeterM

[Karls48 (Karl)]

I don’t really understand why almost everyone contributing to this tread has to associate UFO’s with the aliens. I have seen UFO on serval occasions and all what I have to say about it is that it was – well Unidentified Flying Object. On all occasions (except two observations on two consecutive nights) it looked and behaved differently. No I’m not lucky nor I have special gift to see those things. I just spend lot of time in my younger days in outdoors – prospecting, hunting fishing and sailing. Those activities and being alone in the sticks with only the dog for company makes you more aware of your surroundings. When you realise that the sound of your own heartbeat is distracting because it masks to some extend your perception of the sounds around you - you will understand what I’m talking about. There may be UFO flying over your head right now. But you are too preoccupied with your everyday problems and your senses are overloaded with ambient noise of your surroundings that you may not notice subtle change in your surroundings that makes you to look up and notice something unusual.
From my observations and from one experiment I have conducted with UFO I believe that UFO is some kind of metrological phenomena. For all what it may be worth - rifle projectiles seems to pass thru it without connecting with solid substance. Large shock wave seems to disperse it (I had let go off stick of gelignite when I have seen UFO in Northern Queensland – that produced quite large bang and associated shock wave).
Although some people may think that there is basically nothing new to discover about our planet, here are just few examples of unexplained phenomena’s,
The existence of Sprites, Blue Jets and Elves was not confirmed until about fifteen years ago.
Existence of the Ball Lightning is still controversial and has not been proved or disproved. Although I have never seen Ball Lightning I have seen the damage done by alleged Ball lightning.
Min Min light. I have seen that and I find it interesting that these phenomena narrated in Aboriginal history is very similar to folklore of many European countries. It would be interesting to hear from someone in USA if the American Indians had similar folklore.
In the end I have to admit that it is not possible completely reject possibility that some of UFO sightings may have been of alien spacecraft. But my experience with UFO indicates that it is extremely unlikely.

[Dog Star (Phil)]

Um..Elves?

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by Dog Star

Um..Elves?

I know what you must be thinking but here is a link with a photo (artist impression) showing an elve in the system of things.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1004085350.htm



These are not explained by current science...I can of course explain them ...and I have (but I refer to them as sprites in text) in my theory of everything (which is not a theory but ideas) and various push gravity related threads around the place...

they are visual evidence of the universal flow of particles I suggest as requiste to explain how gravity works and how one can relate gravity to electricity.... now you probably think I am crazy but remember you heard it from me first.

The elve is where the flow first runs into resistence with our planet..it radiates outwards and apparently follows the curve of the atmosphere.

Below it manefest as a sprite..........

Anyways have a long long long look at the artist impression and look into them they offer the most opportunity to understand how gravity and electricity relate to each other.... all of this is of course is my most most humble and unsupported mathmatically...opinion.

There is little in the way of photos but enough to see they are certainly very real and the latest research seems to indicate that they may be generating exotic rays and that is very exciting...

alex

[Dog Star (Phil)]

Thanks muchly for the link Alex.
I'm always deeply appreciative toward anyone who can assist me in peeling back the extensive layers of my ignorance.
It's been suggested that saying "I don't know" is the beginning of wisdom. Which in theory makes me the wisest man on the planet.
Thanks again.

[xelasnave]

Well thank you Phil.
So many folk wish to appear "cool" so they nod as if they know but it is indeed a wise man who understands there is always more to know and that if he is really working at things new things will present each day...

They certainly made me happy because they offerred possible visual evidence of the situation I had foreseen... and man that was so good.

This is a reasonable overview ....

http://geology.about.com/od/sprites/a/sprites.htm

[PeterM]

So here is aquick test. Innocently ask anyone you know (or don't know) from a 10 year old to grandad to work colleagues (without any egging on) what they think a UFO is (I have done this many times) if Flying Saucer/Spaceship and Alien are not the most common and almost always the answers then I will be more than surprised. And if the answer is "oh it's atmosheric phenomena that we can't explain" then I will fall off my chair. UFO is a leading "word" it conjures up exactly as I have said. If we could replace it with "have you ever seen something you couldn't explain while looking at the sky" I would accept that (the must believers simply won't let this happen -it is also a money making industry) You see mostly the must believers are not interested in an explanation and when one is given they quickly look for the next sighting. I am off to photograph the fairies that live at the bottom of my garden, I know they are there somewhere, there's proof of them, I saw a pic of them on the internet, and don't try convince me otherwise. Might even leave my shoes out tonight for the elves, and set a trap for Santa Clause while I am at it.
PeterM

[jungle11 (Greg)]

If all this turns out in the end to be weather phenomenon, I'll be more than happy to accept that. One less thing to wonder about - and proberly the only chance of an answer on this subject in my lifetime.

Yes it is wrong to blindly accept something regardless of a lack of knowledge and verifyable evidence. So I don't side with the 'true believers'

I think there's quite a few skeptics out there who are doing exactly the same thing.

cheers

[jungle11 (Greg)]

I might add an experience here i forgot about.

When I was in primary school, a few mornings when dad and i, or mum and i, drove over a hill on the way into town we would see this bright red line about 1km down the highway extending at a 45* angle across the road. At first we thought it to be a crane, but as we approached it would move off to one side and dissapear. Stumped us for a while but as the year went on we didn't see it anymore. Proberly because the sun was rising at a different time.
Obviously it was a trick of the light - and a very good one - the red 'bar' really looked solid from a distance, nice definable lines, perfectly straight.
That is why I'm not a true believer, I think.

[ngcles]

Hi Peter M & All,

Agree 100% with your last post Peter where you wrote among other things:

" ... And if the answer is "oh it's atmosheric phenomena that we can't explain" then I will fall off my chair. UFO is a leading "word" it conjures up exactly as I have said. If we could replace it with "have you ever seen something you couldn't explain while looking at the sky" I would accept that (the must believers simply won't let this happen -it is also a money making industry) ..."

Could hardly have put it better.

Yep, the likes of Erich von Daniken, Zecharia Sitchin & Nancy Leider (the Nibiru silliness) et al have made a whole heap of cash out of it and equally have a hellava lot to answer for in "mystifying" the whole subject.

That is precisely why in the last paragraph of my first post (#67 on 3rd page) in this thread I wrote:

"The one other problem I have with the whole subject is this: They should not be called "UFOs". We have no proof on a vast number of occasions they are reported that they are "objects" nor that they are "flying". Instead, they should be called "Unidentified Ariel Sightings" or "UAS"."

If they were referred to as a "UAS" or some-such similar title, it would take a lot of the heat and controversy out of the whole thing and hopefully lessen the possibility of people making the leap-of-faith that it is LGM in a saucer every time something is seen that does not appear to have a readily apparent explaination.


Best

Les D

[Ric]

I've still yet to see a UFO as well, one way or another I'll keep an open mind on this subject.

One thing I always do when observing is have a camera at the ready with the 300mm telephoto attached.

Just in case

[RB (Andrew)]

Originally Posted by Ric

One thing I always do when observing is have a camera at the ready with the 300mm telephoto attached.

Just in case

LOL Ric, what if the UFO hovers just above you?

[xelasnave]

Visiting aliens must not only be very advanced but very tidy... they never leave any rubbish.

alex

[PeterM]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Visiting aliens must not only be very advanced but very tidy... they never leave any rubbish.

alex

You are a witty man Alex and I just love your posts, this site would not be half what it is without you, sincerely!
It's bizzare really, there's no rubbish 'cause there was no rubbish, but why am I and others always having to clean up after "them"
PeterM

[xelasnave]

Thank you sincerely Peter.
It is easy to be witty just stand back and look at us humans and dont take things too serious is my game.
Still I think we should give the same respect to believers in UFO's as we do folk who believe in God or in dark matter as I feel there is a commonality shared by them all.... not one shread of proof between all of them...but all have the right to an opinion so long as they can accept others are entitled to a more rational view.... I respect faith not stupidity however.

alex

[ngcles]

Hi All,

Alex wrote:

"Still I think we should give the same respect to believers in UFO's as we do folk who believe in God or in dark matter as I feel there is a commonality shared by them all.... not one shread of proof between all of them...but all have the right to an opinion so long as they can accept others are entitled to a more rational view.... I respect faith not stupidity however."

Ditto -- agree 100%

Peter M wrote:

"You are a witty man Alex and I just love your posts, this site would not be half what it is without you, sincerely!"

Double ditto!!


Best,

Les D

P.S A less than novel-length post plus emoticons ... I must be starting to lose it completely!

[avandonk]

Everybody is entitled to their own delusions. Just don't expect me to even consider them as anywhere near rational. I have not bothered to read any previous posts that UFO's in the sense that they are alien are real, as they will be the usual pap.

Concrete physical evidence is what is needed. None so far?

Keep looking!

Sorry to be such a pain, but that is how this subject makes me feel.

Bert