I despair when UFO witnesses start to talk about the size, speed and distance to the object they saw. Can somebody please explain to me how is it possible to estimate these interrelated parameters without making assumptions about at least one of them. But making an assumption about something completely unknown is rather foolish and leads to meaningless interpretations. Am I missing something?
I watched a movie last night called.... ' Hangar 10 ' .
It's a bit slow at first... but if you persist, things get very interesting indeed.
The movie is based on ' apparent ' true events.
Watch it if you can .....
33 years after the infamous Rendlesham Forest UFO incident, three metal detector enthusiasts hunting for Saxon gold in the same region, capture incredible footage of UFO's whilst filming their expedition. As night falls and with their navigation equipment failing, they find themselves facing a terrifying encounter with an unforgiving alien presence.
Flash .....
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Looks like the top of a Water Tower just over the hill ...or something similar, city view tower or restaurant.
I could photo our local Skycity Casino Skytower, has an almost identical saucery configuration except it has a radio\cell mast on top. Or the Sydney CentrePoint tower.
We have a winner.
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Looks like 2 motion blurred vertical cables to me, I assume this was taken from a moving car...?
Alex, you mentioned in one of your posts that there are many representations of UFOs in Renaissance art. I can't recall any. Can you enlarge on this?
If these various cave paintings, petrollyphs and lines in the desert are, as suggested, records of encounters, why, may I ask, is there no mention of this in written languages? Where is the literature? Or did ET only visit cultures with no written language?
Peter
Alex provided a link (see below) which shows some paintings from the 15th century and earlier. You can easily see how people, nowadays, will think these paintings may depict space craft. Although, specifically in the painting "Madonna with Saint Giovannino", I would expect if a UFO were depicted then it would be larger/more prominent. It actually looks like a smudge which has formed some unusual detail which could resemble a flying saucer.
The site also makes positive and agreeing remarks about Chariots of the Gods by Erich von Daniken. So personally I would not give much credence to anything posted there.
I think von Daniken said of the famous Nazca lines, in Peru, that they were only possible to be constructed by an advanced technology (ie technology at the time the drawings were made, around 500BC, was too primitive). According to a wikipedia article researchers in 1994 were able to create fullsized replicas with simple technology in a matter of days.
Although, specifically in the painting "Madonna with Saint Giovannino", I would expect if a UFO were depicted then it would be larger/more prominent. It actually looks like a smudge which has formed some unusual detail which could resemble a flying saucer.
Thanks Ozstar, that link gives a higher resolution of the painting. Wow, you can see it is not a smudge - it's something (iconography?) deliberately painted in by the artist. Interesting!
Thanks Ozstar, that link gives a higher resolution of the painting. Wow, you can see it is not a smudge - it's something (iconography?) deliberately painted in by the artist. Interesting!
The explanation is well presented here (including samples of several other paintings of the same biblical event showing other artists' depictions):
Note the person in the background staring up at the "UFO." This man is a shepherd. How do we know this? Because we know what event this painting is depicting, and we know the rules of these depictions according to the RIGID ARTISTIC DISCIPLINE the artist was following.
In the art of this particular tradition, with its concrete rules, we often see this same event portrayed in the background of depictions of the Nativity such as this one.
It symbolizes "The Announcement to the Shepards"
and there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field keeping watch over their flock by night. And lo, an angel of the Lord come upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear ye not: for behold!, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you was born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord
Now, according to this rigid discipline, how was the Announcement to the Shepards supposed to be depicted? In the same ways that angels and divinity were symbolized in some of the paintings i cited earlier: as either a luminous cloud, or a luminous cloud containing angels.
Mmmm a luminos cloud would not be hard to replicate...send up some smoke and hit it with a spot light .. Or a projector.
I do think there is a case for many cultures where they are trying to relate to off planet entites.
Such doesn't have to have real aliens but merely a perception on the part of of the artists and their attempt to reflect their belief I suppose.
Overall it seems a lot of humans want contact and have wanted contact for most of our history. But correctly art is best interpreted when considered in it's cultural context.
However I doubt contact will ever be made.
The view could be taken that space travel required time and energy.
The gas bill for any journey is huge.
One would need five generations of humans to reach interesting stuff.
Meaning full space travel will always be beyond us and them as well.
To answer the question...if we could where would we go...it will be one way trip as well....
Mmmm a luminos cloud would not be hard to replicate...send up some smoke and hit it with a spot light ..
What you need to remember is that the artist is not painting something that he / she (usually "he" in medieval times!) saw with their own eyes - they weren't "lucky" enough to have seen the apparition themselves, so they painted the scene using the symbolism which had arisen over more than a thousand years of tradition. They are painting a supernatural scene, which is recounted in a book, borrowing from representations by other artists, and all in accordance with strict religious "rules" of symbolism and iconography.
In addition, the book was written well over a 1,000 years before they read the stories contained in it, and had already gone through numerous translations before they read whichever version they had access to - generally Latin, for medieval Christian art. (Aramaic / Hebrew / Greek / Latin and probably a few more before the King John English Bible which many of us know, which precedes the modern "Good News" and other versions.)
What I don't understand is why we seem so ready to ascribe "reality" and "truth" to the mythology and symbolism of Christianity and the other Abrahamaic faiths, but not to the creation mythology of other cultures.
Was the world really created by a rainbow serpent and a burping frog? (Or maybe it was just the continent of Australia, and other regions were created literally as described in their respective local creation mythology and religious texts?)
Julian we are on the same page.
My comment was to do with presenting a ufo experience or bluntly to present a hoax..the ease or ability appeals to me..as a utube event unrelated to the art upon which we comment.
Your grip of the matter is excellent ...
What you need to remember is that the artist is not painting something that he / she (usually "he" in medieval times!) saw with their own eyes -
That's a good point.
It's worth remembering that until well into the 1700s, the Aristotalean geocentric model of the universe was not only the accepted model, but was also insisted upon by the church and enforced through the inquisition.
Since most religious art was sponsored or commissioned by or for the church, it is highly unlikely that artists in the Middle Ages would have insinuated into their renderings of specific religious/biblical themes and events some contemporary experience with UFOs. To have actively suggested that the universe (as composed of the moon, planets and stars) was not fixed and unchangeable would have been the wildest heresy and have led to the torch (as Fra Bruno and some others discovered) or other sanctions (as Gallileo discovered).
The Aristotalean view of the Universe was rigidly insisted upon and enforced by the church well after Copernicus had debunked it and that lasted until well into Newton's lifetime if not beyond. The so-called scientific revolution is said to have been marked by Copernicus and Newton at either end (1550 - 1700). It's somewhat paradoxical that during much of this time, the whole of Europe was embroiled in religious wars. For example, the 30-years War 1618-1648 waged by the Holy Roman Empire engaged the whole of Western Europe in the Catholic vs Protestant struggle) and during those times, it just didn't pay to be seen to harbour views that might be seen as heretical. And yet, this was the age of Copernicus, Kepler, Brahe, Gallileo, Newton and others who were the catalysts for the demise of Aristotle and Ptolemy and the geocentric universe.
And none of these has ever suggested - however obliquely - that there had been any visits from outer space or sightings of alien craft in the heavens. Apart from reports of the Great Comet of 1577, there are no books, pamphlets, essays or the like suggesting any alien sightings or visitations.
The absence from the scientific literature of that era of reports of flying craft in the skies is, I think, highly significant and makes the suggestion that works of art produced during the same time should be read as showing contemporary encounters seem extremely shallow.
I suspect there's going to be a big upsurge in the number of reported UFO sightings if Google's Project Loon takes off (pun intended) . Check out some of the videos in this story!
Why do we think the West is the only civilisation to have a written account of history?
I don't think anyone has suggested that (at least not yet My point remains. Point me to any written account of sightings of flying objects in any credible history. The occurrence of these reports seems to have exploded post WWII after which we had the atom bomb, real rockets and a whole lot of people on both sides of the Cold War expecting the other side to launch them into extinction at any minute. There have been a number of credible reviews and inquiries into UFO sightings in the US and of the hundreds reviewed, one or two have not been accounted for.
And about that ariel battle Jennifer mentioned as possibly being cited in an ancient Hindu religious work - does that suggest that there were multiple UFOs having a dogfight over downtown Bombay? They came a long way to have a fight!! Or perhaps it is more to do with one or more of the panoply of Hindu gods having it out with one-another. It's metaphor, not a description of reality. Either way, I'd love to be pointed to the text so we could all see what it's about.
Point me to any written account of sightings of flying objects in any credible history.
There is probably something in that. The desire of man hoping there is something out there. Possibly coinciding with new technologyies (as you have said) and new realisations.
