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Old 19-11-2014, 12:44 PM
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Had some fun with Wikipedia and Excel during lunch. UFO sightings during the 20th century. Admittedly, it was the English version of Wikipedia. Results attached.

It would seem that given the choice, Aliens prefer to visit:

- English speaking countries, and in particular
- the Western Hemisphere, and in particular
- the US

While here on Earth, they obviously like to:

- entertain the population of the 5-Eyes Spying Club member states
- avoid Continental Europe and Asia if they can

Each of the above by a surprisingly ridiculous margin.

Why would they do that?

Edit: African Sightings are the coolest:
Southern Tip: 13
Rest of Continent: 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._UFO_sightings
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Old 19-11-2014, 01:42 PM
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Luke, I'm going a bit mad trying to work out where I have seen the face in your avatar.

Perhaps a Heironymus Bosch painting?
Or is it Medusa's face?
(Excuse the hijack, everyone).
Yes, it's a Caravaggio painting. He's my favourite painter, for a reason that is not totally irrelevant to this discussion. He introduced a realism to paintings that shocked the establishment, but also use light and perspective in a very clever way, that almost deceives the viewer. Anyway, my username, chiaroscuro, means light and dark - Caravaggio was the master of light and dark, in painting and in his life.
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Old 19-11-2014, 03:21 PM
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Mirko, those stats n facts are very interesting. I would think that all proven UFO hoaxes occur in the same regions also.

I wonder if there are any works from the masters, such as Caravaggio, that depict UFO's. Possibly if they had a UFO encounter, real or illusion, then they would have painted a religious interpretation.

And thanks Luke. It is interesting why some people have chosen their avatar. I've now had a read up about the artist. Quite a non-conformist.
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Old 19-11-2014, 09:16 PM
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Craig,

YES, there are many depictions of what we would call astronauts and spacecraft throughout history and across the whole world.

There are many depictions of these in ancient Maya, Aztec and Inca civilizations. Spacecraft depictions complete with landing gears (very similar to those of the Lunar Module), fins and antennae. 'Spacemen' with suits, boots and helmets, and are NEVER shown to carry weapons or shields.

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There is one from the Aztecs that looks like an astronaut in a spacecraft.

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There are also what looks like stellar maps showing the course they gone through the sky.

In North America (this includes Mexico) and Peru's Nazca Lines, there are giant geolyphs, some hundreds of meters in size, that are pointless at ground level, but are astonishing from above. Some of these could be considered as navigational beacons, with vectors and cardinal points.

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Australian Aboriginal art also shows in many places uncanny resemblance also to astronauts and spacecraft. These include paintings and rock carvings. There are also giant rock 'sculptures' that bare uncanny resemblance to the geolyphs of the Americas.

There are many representations of 'UFOs' in renaissance art.

There is a site that does show many of these in the one place. Of the many quackery sites that are out there, this particular page is the most balanced in its language, views and insight to the various cultures mentioned:

http://www.visioninconsciousness.org...zations_26.htm

What is interesting about all of the ancient cultures that make reference to contact to 'astronauts', these visitors are seen as important, important guests, but not a threat. Threats would not have the reverence that is paid to them. They all show a high level of contact and communication. AND they are all totally dependent on the level of initiation as to who has the contact with and access & understanding of the images.

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Old 19-11-2014, 09:20 PM
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When I was a kid I was two streets away from this major UFO deal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westall_UFO
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Old 19-11-2014, 09:50 PM
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Craig,

YES, there are many depictions of what we would call astronauts and spacecraft throughout history and across the whole world.

There are many depictions of these in ancient Maya, Aztec and Inca civilizations. Spacecraft depictions complete with landing gears (very similar to those of the Lunar Module), fins and antennae. 'Spacemen' with suits, boots and helmets, and are NEVER shown to carry weapons or shields.

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There is one from the Aztecs that looks like an astronaut in a spacecraft.

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There are also what looks like stellar maps showing the course they gone through the sky.

In North America (this includes Mexico) and Peru's Nazca Lines, there are giant geolyphs, some hundreds of meters in size, that are pointless at ground level, but are astonishing from above. Some of these could be considered as navigational beacons, with vectors and cardinal points.

Attachment 173190

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Australian Aboriginal art also shows in many places uncanny resemblance also to astronauts and spacecraft. These include paintings and rock carvings. There are also giant rock 'sculptures' that bare uncanny resemblance to the geolyphs of the Americas.

There are many representations of 'UFOs' in renaissance art.

There is a site that does show many of these in the one place. Of the many quackery sites that are out there, this particular page is the most balanced in its language, views and insight to the various cultures mentioned:

http://www.visioninconsciousness.org...zations_26.htm

What is interesting about all of the ancient cultures that make reference to contact to 'astronauts', these visitors are seen as important, important guests, but not a threat. Threats would not have the reverence that is paid to them. They all show a high level of contact and communication. AND they are all totally dependent on the level of initiation as to who has the contact with and access & understanding of the images.
A fan of Erich Anton Paul von Däniken i I see.
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Old 19-11-2014, 10:01 PM
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Ron, curious you should mention this fellow. I had no knowledge of him until I googled his name from your post, . What I've written has come from my own reading and listening to people from different parts of the world.

I certainly am not proclaiming anything about alien visitations. I do have an open mind when I listen to old cultures. Many of the links have been lost and along with this the meanings to many of their images. But it has to be acknowledged that there many uncanny resemblances to what we would consider spaceflight and astronauts, and in cultures across the world and across human history.

Is ET out there? Buggered if I know, and buggered if I care actually. He ain't gonna pay my mortgage...
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Old 19-11-2014, 10:47 PM
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Ron, curious you should mention this fellow. I had no knowledge of him until I googled his name from your post, . What I've written has come from my own reading and listening to people from different parts of the world.

I certainly am not proclaiming anything about alien visitations. I do have an open mind when I listen to old cultures. Many of the links have been lost and along with this the meanings to many of their images. But it has to be acknowledged that there many uncanny resemblances to what we would consider spaceflight and astronauts, and in cultures across the world and across human history.

Is ET out there? Buggered if I know, and buggered if I care actually. He ain't gonna pay my mortgage...
Some one else to add to your store room of knowledge, Alex.
His TV series and books were all the rage in the late 1960's and through out the 1970's.
As the Wiki article notes his theories where mainly condemned by Archaeologists, and scientist,but hey he made a lot of money.
It was a time that UFO's where quite popular and his books and TV series added to the hype.
No he won't pay your Mortgage for you.
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Old 19-11-2014, 11:37 PM
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Craig,

YES, there are many depictions of what we would call astronauts and spacecraft throughout history and across the whole world.

There are many depictions of these in ancient Maya, Aztec and Inca civilizations. Spacecraft depictions complete with landing gears (very similar to those of the Lunar Module), fins and antennae. 'Spacemen' with suits, boots and helmets, and are NEVER shown to carry weapons or shields.

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There is one from the Aztecs that looks like an astronaut in a spacecraft.

Attachment 173188 Attachment 173189

There are also what looks like stellar maps showing the course they gone through the sky.

In North America (this includes Mexico) and Peru's Nazca Lines, there are giant geolyphs, some hundreds of meters in size, that are pointless at ground level, but are astonishing from above. Some of these could be considered as navigational beacons, with vectors and cardinal points.

Attachment 173190

Attachment 173191

Attachment 173192

Australian Aboriginal art also shows in many places uncanny resemblance also to astronauts and spacecraft. These include paintings and rock carvings. There are also giant rock 'sculptures' that bare uncanny resemblance to the geolyphs of the Americas.

There are many representations of 'UFOs' in renaissance art.

There is a site that does show many of these in the one place. Of the many quackery sites that are out there, this particular page is the most balanced in its language, views and insight to the various cultures mentioned:

http://www.visioninconsciousness.org...zations_26.htm

What is interesting about all of the ancient cultures that make reference to contact to 'astronauts', these visitors are seen as important, important guests, but not a threat. Threats would not have the reverence that is paid to them. They all show a high level of contact and communication. AND they are all totally dependent on the level of initiation as to who has the contact with and access & understanding of the images.
These are all good examples of the different interpretations put onto things by those who "want to believe" and those who take the time to examine carefully and critically.

I remember seeing the television "documentary" of Erich von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods" in the 1970s, and being absolutely convinced of the thesis he proposed - for about a week, until I went to the library, and picked up a few books on the key subjects.

To pick a couple of the key "modern myths" that have been popularised by Erich von Daniken and others:

The supposed "Mayan Astronaut" is in fact a sarcophagus lid, and the artwork and iconography is entirely consistent with other examples from the period:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K'inich...arcophagus_lid

Contrary to popular belief, the Nazca lines and images can in fact be seen quite clearly from ground level, from the adjacent hills:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_Lines#History
Yes, they are spectacular from the air, and more easily taken in with a single view, but it is simply not true that they can only be made out from an aerial view, and the logic that they were therefore created for (or by) extra-terrestrials is simply not supported.

I have no doubt that all of the other examples which some take to be ancient representations of astronauts and spaceships are also found to have much more mundane and conventional earthly / religious / spiritual interpretations.
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I saw this in 2008.
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I saw this in 2008.
And, in the middle of a crop!
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Unusual photoshop on the wires?!

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Well I saw ufo last might at the back of the pub...did anyone else see it?
Just above the trees oval shaped flashing lights and you could see beings inside...maybe I was just staring at a block of flats...
So did you see it?
If so please join discussion group to be convened after closing....

Might print that up and place on their notice board.
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Old 20-11-2014, 12:33 PM
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Erich von Däniken.
Yea.

I saw a presentation by the man himself at a venue in Europe where we were involved with another event (of course ).

As I understood it, his argumentation of the Nazca lines, images etc etc being evidence of ET contact was built around the fact that they were so hard so appreciate from ground level (or not at all whatever the case may be). The designers and producers of these images, therefore, had some higher knowledge or contact or something to that end.

This argumentation has always struck me as incredibly short-sighted and, well, arrogant. It suggests that the people that made the images were too dumb to up-scale a layout plan.

The artwork is obviously directed at some entity located somewhere above. And the most lilkely addressee of a heavenward message, or so EvD argues, was Aliens. At a time when knowledge of the heavens was much more limited than today.

REALLY??!!

Charsima gone up the garden path is embarrasing to watch.
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Unusual photoshop on the wires?!

Other than resizing the orginal image, it is not photoshoped .
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Other than resizing the orginal image, it is not photoshoped .
Looks like 2 motion blurred vertical cables to me, I assume this was taken from a moving car...?
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I saw this in 2008.
Looks like the top of a Water Tower just over the hill ...or something similar, city view tower or restaurant.
I could photo our local Skycity Casino Skytower, has an almost identical saucery configuration except it has a radio\cell mast on top. Or the Sydney CentrePoint tower.
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I saw this in 2008.
This thread is about UFOs, not futuristic buildings...
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Old 20-11-2014, 01:32 PM
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UFO stories are great stories, which give story-tellers their 15 minutes of fame.
The listeners are always confronted with the fact that the teller is sincere and genuinely believes their story and the possibilities of alien life really appeal to our imaginations.
But as I wrote about 20 years ago: “The trouble with UFOs is that they appear to the wrong people. With amateur astronomers finding Novae a thousand times fainter than the eye can see, it is never them who see that bright light in the sky.”
Nevertheless, I have no idea what was seen at the start of this thread, so it is a genuine UFO, but highly unlikely to be of alien origin.
BUT, IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC IF IT WAS!!
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Unusual photoshop on the wires?!
Looks like messenger wires above and contact wires below. The blurred bits connect the two. There is more to this photo than I thought
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