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Old 30-05-2012, 10:35 PM
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All,

What about the idea of hiding a key somewhere near the gate? Obviously you would not disclose it here on the forum, but for those interested they can site the specific location for future reference.

Am I missing something else ?

Cheers Norm - irregular PC user.

PS: One time I pulled up into the wrong driveway, only to have a bloke accost me as to what I was doing. After explaining the situation it was all good. Apparently they were having a spout of scrub fires and were suspicious of any unusual movements!
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Old 31-05-2012, 06:42 AM
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Yes Rod, I do apologise. I certainly did not intend to segregate an 'us and them' mentality as there is none.
I wrote that post in haste and it is poorly phrased....

Its not a club or organisation and there is no hierarchy. These nights are very loosly thrown together.....You just need to read the threads!
Thanks Deeno - appreciated! I was perhaps a bit too quick to jump down your throat, so sorry if I expressed things rather too forcefully! I do love coming to the Pony Club, and look forward to many more pleasant nights under the Southern Canopy!
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Old 31-05-2012, 06:47 AM
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Good to see the dust finally settling a bit around here.

To avoid another 19th of May I think we just need to get a few more keys out there, starting with Rod, if he wants one.

Anybody object to that?

If no objections perhaps Allan or one of the other key holders could post him a copy?

As long as we can insure each social group at the PC has potential access to a key this situation should not happen again.

Greg.

(This thread reads like one of those reality disaster docos where it takes a string of otherwise minor incidences to bring the plane down! )
Thanks Greg, I would love a key. PM coming.
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Old 31-05-2012, 08:03 AM
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Wow, after a few days of been sick with the flu, i come back to see these responses... Honestly it sounded like i was back in school. I am not going to get involved, but all i want to say is that the PC is a great site, and so is the company. I have only been going for about 18 months, but i have learnt a lot from the people that attend, and have also made great friends. I have organised before, borrowing keys off owl so we could have access. I should be a bit more organised next time... But hey the PC is always a last minute decision with most people
Anyway i hope everyone has put it behind them. To be honest, its a darker sky than my yard, so what more could i ask for!
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Old 31-05-2012, 09:46 AM
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If its such an issue hand keys out to all and sundry.. I'm quite sure no problems would arise out of this... As for the elitist jerk saying that the pony club is an inferior observing site.. that's fine stay home I would rather not listen to you whine all night about how crap the sky is.
And the reason some people know about the side gate is that they just happened to be at the pony club for an observing session when we found a big "stay out" padlock on the front gate that no one had a key for. (Is it still there?) One of the trustees for the pc had to come up and let a workman in as she didn't have a key for the lock either and told us about the side access. And I'm pretty sure it has been mentioned in other pony club gathering forums. It was not being hidden from anyone.
I suggest if you have an issue with someone that attends pc then don't go or go when they are not there or here is an idea stay away from them.
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Old 31-05-2012, 10:37 AM
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As for the elitist jerk saying that the pony club is an inferior observing site.. that's fine stay home I would rather not listen to you whine all night about how crap the sky is.
Hi Michael,

You have a lot to learn about Astronomy and human nature. I am far from an elitist. I have done more over the past 25+ years to help beginners, newcomers, social groups and schoolchildren, than you can possibly imagine and will continue to do so.

I got my nose out of joint because a bit over 4 years ago several of the then newcomers essentially took over the group and migrated it to a clearly inferior observing site than what we had used for well over 2 years. The reason they preferred the Pony Club was it had a warm cosy shed, an urn for hot coffee, a pie oven to keep the party pies hot and a fridge to keep the pyss cold. These are clearly major pre requisites for a good dark sky observing site to a serious observer. One of the then newcomers made the comment at the time, "the Pony Club is great, it has nice low horizons, particularly to the South". Yeah great, much closer to the lights of Gosford than the Paintball Place and nice low horizons to let all the light pollution in from Gosford and the surrounding houses. Further, what serious observer wants to observe down there in the soup anyway, unless it's a target that never reaches higher elevation. Clearly the focus of these people was on the creature comforts of home, hot party pies, hot coffee and cold pyss, and not on the quality of observing conditions. If you think the Pony Club has good skies you seriously know very little about observing and sky quality. I would rate it 3/10 at best, Paintball was 6/10, Bucketty is 7/10, Ilford and Lostock are 8/10, Coonabarabran is 9/10.

We had a far darker site exactly the same distance from the Freeway at the Paintball Place and unfortunately burned our bridges there and couldn't return. This meant that the people who were serious about observing had to find an alternative site, that had decent sky quality

You speak of elitist? It doesn't get any more elitist, or a takeover, than the group of newcomers, who now term themselves regulars, having never once offered a key in 4+ years, before yesterday, to any of the ORIGINAL Central Coast observing group, which included Rod Berry, Mike Salway, Andrew Catsaitis, Andrew Murrell, Gary Kopff and myself.

This is the last post I will make on the subject. I have aired my gripe.

Cheers,
John B
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Old 31-05-2012, 11:21 AM
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Oh I understand "your" boys club was taken away from you and your cranky... Not that it was moved but because "your club" was taken away without your say so. It was 4 years ago you say you burned your bridges at paintball so get over it.

Btw telling me I have a lot to learn and you blah blah blah is you being an elitist jerk. (And you sound like you help people for the accolades as you keep bringing it up.) My experience should not enter into it. As you don't know who I am or what my experience is your making assumptions about me. You know what that's elitism, sorry we all can't be as Worldly and helpful as you.

I'm sorry your mancave boys club was taken away but like I said get over it!
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Old 31-05-2012, 11:45 AM
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