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16-05-2013, 07:31 PM
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No hate, Mike. None at all. What gave you that idea?
However, I strongly disagree with debt being a good thing.
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16-05-2013, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Ward
So, let me get this straight.... I should rip-up my existing co-axial cable line, so I can have faster a fibre optic line (even though I don't want the content/drivel it is likely to deliver) ...so then I can pay *even more $* for a *slower* (monopoly) service option just so I can stay connected?
I think it unlikely I'd vote for any party that crazy  |
Very short sighted Peter, no vision 
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16-05-2013, 07:37 PM
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Sorry, sounds great (like many anti climate change and moon landing evidence) but probably not worth trying to explain here, as you can do your own research should you chose but you are simply just wrong on this, wireless vs fibre is no contest.
Mike
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16-05-2013, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Octane
No hate, Mike. None at all. What gave you that idea?
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Me no stupid
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16-05-2013, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by strongmanmike
Very short sighted Peter, no vision |
My vision is fine..gets checked every year..
Apart from entertainment content, I simply can't fathom what a high speed data pipe can provide, that is not available to me now at less cost.
Want to build something fast and *really* useful?
How about a high speed rail that connects the major eastern seaboard cities. Now *that* would get my vote.
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16-05-2013, 07:49 PM
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If I've offended or upset you Mike, I offer my apologies. Life is simply too short to live with hangups.
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16-05-2013, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Ward
How about a high speed rail that connects the major eastern seaboard cities. Now *that* would get my vote.
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Perhaps no vision on a NBN but some on high speed rail - good on you!...but I guess only if it were a coalition idea huh? ..that's not likely though is it?
Mike
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16-05-2013, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Octane
If I've offended or upset you Mike, I offer my apologies. Life is simply too short to live with hangups.
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Hey I ain't got no hangups  I just want a high speed NBN not a sad half arsed one - simple 
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16-05-2013, 07:59 PM
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"And the stooge has come for me again." Jeremy Oxley. So true! 
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16-05-2013, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by strongmanmike
Hey I ain't got no hangups I just want a high speed NBN not a sad half arsed one - simple |
It's not available where I am in Sydney. I don't think it's half arsed. I think it's a complete arse. Bloody disaster.
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16-05-2013, 08:05 PM
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It's not available where I am in Sydney. I don't think it's half arsed. I think it's a complete arse. Bloody disaster. |
Where are you getting your info on this though? Hopefully not Ray Hadley and Alan Jones  ...pleeease say this is not the case. This is a huge infrastructure venture and will obviously have hiccups and problems along the way, just like the Apollo program, LHC and the shuttle program did and in the spirit of the OP, the SKA will surely have too... vision and determination will prevail in the end if you aim high
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16-05-2013, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by strongmanmike
Perhaps no vision on a NBN but some on high speed rail - good on you!...but I guess only if it were a coalition idea huh? ..that's not likely though is it?
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Actually I really don't like being forced to only vote for "Coke" or "Pepsi" parties. I'm underwhelmed by both.
50 years on..and our (useless) lot are still ruminating over a second Sydney airport...
I'd prefer a benevolent dictator..a bit like Lee Kwan Yew...like it or not, we will be Westernized, educated and have modern infrastructure and a Tertiary economy... or remain a slum.
Sadly I fear Oz is headed for the latter...
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16-05-2013, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Ward
My vision is fine..gets checked every year..
Apart from entertainment content, I simply can't fathom what a high speed data pipe can provide, that is not available to me now at less cost.
Want to build something fast and *really* useful?
How about a high speed rail that connects the major eastern seaboard cities. Now *that* would get my vote. |
The 90 billion the NBN is costing would have built a lot of good quality highway and saved a lot of lives, too
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16-05-2013, 08:08 PM
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The 90 billion the NBN is costing would have built a lot of good quality highway and saved a lot of lives, too
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Vision Larry, Vision, you got to have vision come'on!
Mike
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16-05-2013, 08:09 PM
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Vision Larry, Vision, you got to have vision come'on!
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Hey Mike-better roads is VISION, isn't it
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16-05-2013, 08:11 PM
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Sadly I fear Oz is headed for the latter...
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Only with a sit and wait, do nothing government 
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16-05-2013, 08:13 PM
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Hey Mike-better roads is VISION, isn't it |
Of course, but what you are kind of proposing would cost many hundreds of Billions or more and make the cost of the NBN look like wiring your house  ...Oz is a big country, hard enough and expensive enough to run optic fibre around a good chunk of it, let alone freeway
Mike
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16-05-2013, 08:14 PM
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ze frogginator
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Originally Posted by strongmanmike
Where are you getting your info on this though? Hopefully not Ray Hadley and Alan Jones ...pleeease say this is not the case. |
From the Telstra website (/nbn) No go here. Rang them and they told me that only 35000 households have connection so far. Not a good SNR to date hey? Billions spent, 1000s connected?
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Originally Posted by strongmanmike
This is a huge infrastructure venture and will obviously have hiccups and problems along the way, just like the Apollo program, LHC and the shuttle program did and in the spirit of the OP, the SKA will surely have too... vision and determination will prevail in the end if you aim high
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C'mon... people from the LHC, Apollo program, Shuttle program? They all had something in common. A brain.
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16-05-2013, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by strongmanmike
Of course, but what you are proposing would cost many hundreds of Billions or more and make the cost of the NBN look like wiring your house ...Oz is a big country, hard enough and expensive enough to run optic fibre around a good chunk of it, let alone freeway
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It still needs to be done, and the longer we wait, the more expensive it gets. Look at the USA-they managed to do it, and a long time ago. I guess the USA doesn't have near the problems with over-government that we have, though
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16-05-2013, 08:18 PM
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C'mon... people from the LHC, Apollo program, Shuttle program? They all had something in common. A brain. |
There are many high quality "brains" working on the NBN don't worry about that and to suggest otherwise proves a little ignorance . You can make derogatory claims all you want, it's easy... but having vision and guts is not
Mike
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