The Federal budget, it wasn't all bad

[casstony]

Originally Posted by Stardrifter_WA

Anyone who says they could do a better job are either ill informed, delusional, or are currently a politician?

If my dog had been in charge of Victoria or Canberra for the last decade or so we wouldn't have had the desal plant, the north/south pipeline, Miki ticketing system, insulation subsidies, bank subsidies (ie first home buyer grants) and all the other malinvestment of taxpayers money that I don't remember right now.

So I conclude that everybody could have done a better job simply by sitting on their hands and not touching anything.

[LewisM]

Originally Posted by Stardrifter_WA

Oh Lewis, such a lack of faith. We are so stupid when it comes to politics, we go by our emotions and how we feel when choosing whether we like someone or not, or by what we read and see in the media, like they always get the facts right. We certainly don't go by any factual information. Or are you well informed? I am honest enough to admit I have the same failings. I don't personally know the treasurer, nor do I have a grasp of accounting to know if he is doing a good job or not? I lack the facts! And, furthermore, you just cannot satisfy everyone, all the time, another one of those immutable laws. It will always be a balancing act. A tough task, it appears.

Could you do a better job, my friend? I know I certainly couldn't, I don't have a hide that is thick enough. Politics is probably the toughest job there is. It appears to be a tough and very dirty game, with the only winners being those that write the rules of the game.

Anyone who says they could do a better job are either ill informed, delusional, or are currently a politician?

Peter,

I have a combination of feelings towards Swan - a lot of it based purely on perceptions of a smug, arrogant piece of excrement, the other based on his failings to be able to admit error, as well as seemingly being a poor economist. I think the only person I dislike MORE is Simon Crean, but that is neither here nor there...

As to his performance as Treasurer, I think the figures do speak for themselves - mainly the inability to fund election promises for a start, but wanton spendings on seeming trivialities. Can anyone else do any better - time will tell, but Australia is again going to have to tighten it's belt, do the hard yards, but the benefits will show.

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by casstony

If my dog had been in charge of Victoria or Canberra for the last decade or so we wouldn't have had the desal plant, the north/south pipeline, Miki ticketing system, insulation subsidies, bank subsidies (ie first home buyer grants) and all the other malinvestment of taxpayers money that I don't remember right now.

So I conclude that everybody could have done a better job simply by sitting on their hands and not touching anything.

So then, Casstony's dog for PM then!

[casstony]

For second choice I'd like Bob Katter for PM - at least it would be fun to watch politics again

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by LewisM

Peter,

I have a combination of feelings towards Swan - a lot of it based purely on perceptions of a smug, arrogant piece of excrement, the other based on his failings to be able to admit error, as well as seemingly being a poor economist. I think the only person I dislike MORE is Simon Crean, but that is neither here nor there...

As to his performance as Treasurer, I think the figures do speak for themselves - mainly the inability to fund election promises for a start, but wanton spendings on seeming trivialities. Can anyone else do any better - time will tell, but Australia is again going to have to tighten it's belt, do the hard yards, but the benefits will show.

All a media beatup Lewis. The press lets you believe what they want you to believe!

You're doing better than I am Lewis, I don't like any of them.

Oh, with only one exception and that is my local WA Government MP, he really is great, but then, I do know what he actually does for our community. But, in fairness of full disclosure, he did get a street light shaded for me and others in this area. So, I am a little biased.

A poor economist? Isn't that an oxymoron

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

A bit of tired old baseless rhetoric being said here ...

Australia is doing quite fine guys aaand getting some excellent things in place along the way. Over hyped journalism from a heavily conservative press is a poor tool of choice to form a solid robust opinion.

Above all I want Australia to have a truly high quality national broadband structure and the coalitions late in the piece, vision-less, cobbled together against their will, antiquated version, based on poor insight and understanding of technology, will just not cut it. We can easily afford the current model so we should do it and do it properly! You should all stand up and support this amazing piece of infrastructure.

Vote 1 Labor! (even if only for the NBN!)

You can reeeally hate me now H

[Stardrifter_WA]

Reminds me of a corny joke......What is an Computer? ....... An accountant with a personality

[Stardrifter_WA]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

A bit of tired old baseless rhetoric being said here ...

Australia is doing quite fine guys aaand getting some excellent things in place along the way. Over hyped journalism from a heavily conservative press is a poor tool of choice to form a solid robust opinion.

Above all I want Australia to have a truly high quality national broadband structure and the coalitions late in the piece, vision-less, cobbled together against their will, antiquated version, based on poor insight and understanding of technology, will just not cut it. We can easily afford the current model so we should do it and do it properly! You should all stand up and support this amazing piece of infrastructure.

Vote 1 Labor! (even if only for the NBN!)

You can reeeally hate me now H

I agree Mike, however, wouldn't it be better to get fibre-to-the-node first and then it could be rolled out to houses later. After all, at some point the copper network will need to be replaced anyway. Getting to the node first would still give us increased speed anyway and then at some future point upgrade the network to increase speed to houses. I am on wireless anyway, and it is adequate for my current needs, and it would be years before I would see landline anyway, current NBN ot not.

But, I care not, either way, just as long as my service remains reliable. So far so good.

[Stardrifter_WA]

And on the subject of economists......Who was the world's greatest financier?...................... Noah, he was the only person who could float his stock whilst everyone else was in liquidation.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Stardrifter_WA

I agree Mike, however, wouldn't it be better to get fibre-to-the-node first and then it could be rolled out to houses later. After all, at some point the copper network will need to be replaced anyway. Getting to the node first would still give us increased speed anyway and then at some future point upgrade the network to increase speed to houses. I am on wireless anyway, and it is adequate for my current needs, and it would be years before I would see landline anyway, current NBN ot not.

But, I care not, either way, just as long as my service remains reliable. So far so good.

It has got to be fibre all the way!

VISION and guts, that's what it needs, not procrastinating, conservativeness!!!! We have the chance, it is well uner way already, don't truncate it now pleeeeeease

Do it well do it properly, do it NOW

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

Originally Posted by Stardrifter_WA

And on the subject of economists......Who was the world's great financier?...................... Noah, he was the only person who could float his stock whilst everyone else was in liquidation.

Awesome.....

[Deeno]

The Piper is knocking.....and future generations will be paying him.

The cost isn't vision, its delusion

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Deeno

The Piper is knocking.....and future generations will be paying him.

The cost isn't vision, its delusion

Man, the vision and it IS vision, could have been even better but they had to draw the line somewhere . Once the optic fibre is in the ground and all the way, it is simply a matter of upgrading the delivery systems in the future, the possibilities then will be simply amazing!

NBN All the Way!

Mike

[Deeno]

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by Deeno

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

A bit of tired old baseless rhetoric being said here ...

Australia is doing quite fine guys aaand getting some excellent things in place along the way. Over hyped journalism from a heavily conservative press is a poor tool of choice to form a solid robust opinion.

Above all I want Australia to have a truly high quality national broadband structure and the coalitions late in the piece, vision-less, cobbled together against their will, antiquated version, based on poor insight and understanding of technology, will just not cut it. We can easily afford the current model so we should do it and do it properly! You should all stand up and support this amazing piece of infrastructure.

Vote 1 Labor! (even if only for the NBN!)

You can reeeally hate me now H

Maaaate!...where have you been? You're missing all the fun.
PS: don't forget to sprinkle a little global warming on top.

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

You should all stand up and support this amazing piece of infrastructure.

Vote 1 Labor! (even if only for the NBN!)

So, let me get this straight.... I should rip-up my existing co-axial cable line, so I can have faster a fibre optic line (even though I don't want the content/drivel it is likely to deliver) ...so then I can pay *even more $* for a *slower* (monopoly) service option just so I can stay connected?

I think it unlikely I'd vote for any party that crazy

[LewisM]

NBN is the LAST thing on my mind - I'd rather fix Australia first than spending on "trivialities". There are FAR FAR FAR more pressing issues than getting ADSL in every home. Just another baseless promise.

Peter, unfortunately you could not be further from the truth re my media delusion of politicos. I, and my family, have NOT watched TV in a VERY VERY long time, apart from ABC For Kids. I won't watch TV (more interesting pursuits to do). I get my loathing for many politicians based on actual performances not what some moronic journalist wishes to tell me - and figures speak loader than rhetoric.

So, Septemeber 14 will see me either inserting my OWN box with "Dump them all" and ticking it, or voting for a politician I actually think has the balls to fix the situation rather than pandering to minorities, trivialities and foreign dignitaries. I will not vote for someone based on just ONE interest I have; I base my vote on what I think will benefit ALL, rather than just ONE. And Labors politics is all about pandering to small minorities instead of a global reality.

[Deeno]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/te...peed.html?_r=0

The way wireless technology is advancing the NBN will be obsolete long before its even finished....

50-60-70-80 or even 90 billion dollar white elephant.

Mmmm.... delusional 2010 election stunt

[FlashDrive (Poppy)]

errr..!! ......NBN ....
NOTHING BUT Nonsense.

Flash.....