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Old 24-10-2005, 12:35 AM
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Old 24-10-2005, 02:00 AM
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Old 24-10-2005, 02:16 AM
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Just thought someone else may find this site useful


The Constellations Web Page

http://www.dibonsmith.com/stars.htm<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o:p></o:p>

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The Binocular (and Naked Eye) Tour of the Stars. <o:p></o:p>

You'll find how to locate any of the current season's constellations, learning how to find the principal stars with the naked eye. <o:p></o:p>

Those with binoculars are taught how to find many interesting objects suitable for binocular study, such as star clusters or wide binaries. <o:p></o:p>

The tour features over 300 views as seen through binoculars, so you know you're looking at the right object. <o:p></o:p>
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Old 02-11-2005, 02:06 AM
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Hi All...Adam
I have been following your advice re locating Venus, Scorpius, etc...I am embarassed to admit that I have had serious problems...Firstly, it has been about midnight before the skies are clear...then I locate what I think is Venus only to not be able to locate Scorpius...I will try and describe the bright star I have thought was Venus, it appears about a fist length left of the saucepan...I have spent ages trying to make sense/familiarise myself with the skymap (downloaded as you suggested). About a fist from the saucepan is another very bright star (pretty sure it is blue....south of "Venus" is a dense cluster of stars (beautiful with the binoculars)
I now think that I have not actually been looking at Venus...any suggestions as to where I really am...
I have downloaded Nov skymap (and will do this each month) and plan to familiarise myself with the naked eye sightings... just feel I need an identifiable marker/s

I am also finding Thompson's Stargazing and The Southern Sky Guide very helpful...trying to obtain a copy of PC World April 2005 for the Starry Night software...but am having problems with the publisher being able to locate a copy.
anyway, that is where i am....
By the way, is it ok to be asking these type of basic questions here...

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Old 02-11-2005, 03:39 AM
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Hi Janine, sounds like you're looking at Orion in the east. (if Orion is up, Scorpio is down.((sets ~ 8.00pm in the west)). Your bright star, (venus), is actually Sirius. Venus is situated high in the west/sw, early in the evening & you won't mistake it for anything else. It's the brightest object up there atm. Sets ~ 11.20 pm.
From the Saucepan, the bright star sounds like Rigel.(Blue giant). Again part of Orion, actually represents his left knee/foot. Betelgeuse is more to the east & is red in colour.(~ + 800 solar masses). This one represents his right shoulder/arm.
The bright cluster is the Orion Nebula or M42. (3 stars in the handle are his sword). The base of the 'Saucepan' represent his belt.
And as for asking questions, go right ahead. We're here to help anyway we can. O.K. Regards, L.
ps. Remember that all the constellations were discovered & named by people in the Northern Hemisphere. T'wernt nobody down here, way back then! So everything is 'upside-down' to us.
pps. Buy a Chandler 'Planisphere'. Better than a star chart.(~$22).
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Old 02-11-2005, 03:52 AM
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[QUOTE=RAJAH235]And as for asking questions, go right ahead. We're here to help anyway we can. O.K. QUOTE]

Agreeing with Laurie.
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Old 02-11-2005, 04:03 AM
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Thanks very much...I'll take my map out and have another look ...when it clears a bit...

forgot to say I do have a planisphere....

I was actually thinking that my VENUS actually was SIRIUS, so thanks again for your help.

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Old 02-11-2005, 12:45 PM
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Congratulations jmb!

Hi Janine,

Congratulations on a couple of fronts - first, you obviously have received your binoculars and you have started giving them a work out! Second, you have learned one of the most important attributes of an amateur astronomer - flexibility. If it's too cloudy to observe at 7:30, go out and try again at another time! Mother Nature often likes to throw a spanner in the works of our best laid plans!



The instructions I gave you are still relevant for 7:30 pm looking to the West so, if the clouds clear, have a look a look at the area of Scorpius - there are some great objects for binoculars!

From your description, you are looking to the east at around midnight - the 'saucepan' is actually part of the constellation Orion. For a star map or planisphere to make sense you will need to know your compass directions - that is, where north, south, east and west are. A cheap magnetic compass can help here. Alternatively, you can use the stars to tell direction. If you look at the saucepan at around midnight the direction you are looking is roughly east. North, then, is to your left, south to your right, and west is behind you.

It's very hard to tell exactly what you are looking at from your description - this is because there are a lot of bright stars in this region at the moment, including Mars. For this area of the sky I will adopt the same strategy as I did last time - I will encourage you to download the latest sky map from skymaps.com - there is now a November map. A good reason for doing this is that I know we are looking at the same thing.

Looking at the November sky map you will see, around the outside of the map, the compass directions (north, south, east, and west). Look on the side of the map labelled East. This is roughly the view you are seeing at about midnight. Part way up from the horizon is the constellation Orion - notice that there are three bright stars in a row in the middle of the constellation of Orion - this is the bottom of the 'Saucepan'. If you look up from these three stars to the part of the 'saucepan' where the 'handle' starts you will see that the label on the star map says M42. This is the Orion Nebula - you will want to have a look at this in your binoculars - it is one of the best nebulas in the sky.

Looking to the left (North) of Orion you will see the constellation Taurus. The brightest star in this constellation is Aldebaran - a bright reddish star. Surrounding Aldebaran is a very large star cluster called the Hyades - it is one of the closest star clusters to us. Looking left (North) again is a beautiful star cluster for binoculars called the Pleiades - to the naked eye there are about 6 or 7 stars, in binoculars there are many more! (This may have been the beautiful cluster you saw) Looking above the Pleiades you will see a very bright orange 'star'. This is Mars, very close to Opposition now, when it appears at its brightest.

Again, once you can get your bearings by learning a few bright constellations the rest become easier.

Please feel free to ask any question in this forum - that's why it's here! There are plenty of people who can help. Let us know how you go and if you run into any problems be sure to post a question.

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Old 02-11-2005, 09:12 PM
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Thanks again for your assistance
I must mention that I don't have a very good sense of direction even in surrouneding neighbourhoods...so I am not surprised I am having difficulty with the enormous expanse of sky...
Oh yeah, it is raining now.....
I really do appreciate the advice that has been offered here, and am determined to get a sense of locating some of the brighter stars and consellations...

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Old 07-11-2005, 01:22 AM
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thanks everyone for your help.
Adam, not long in from the first good night since i got the binoculars...
I had the planisphere, Evening Sky Map, and your notes to guide me....oh yeah i even picked up a cheap Atronomy 2005. So you wouldn't think a person could get lost.
if what i am looking at is Sirius...i think the bright cluster i saw maybe the False Cross (down from Sirius, presumably that is south?)
I think i found the Orion Nebula you mentioned...very beautiful!!

Couldn't find the Huades cluster...and the sky was very clear considering the rain looked like settling in this afternoon...

I did get a good view of the Moon earlier also with a bright star below to the right i think...

I am seeing the value of trying to illustrate main features in order to better locate/identify what i am seeing...

Anyway, thanks again
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Old 07-11-2005, 01:27 AM
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oh yeah, i forgot...also had the compass
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Old 07-11-2005, 07:27 AM
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Hi Janine, it's great that you had some clear skies - we've had wall to wall cloud all weekend and it's still cloudy!

When you're just starting to find your way around the night sky it's good to have an initial reference point. In one of your posts you mentioned seeing the saucepan - this is part of the constellation Orion. Learn the main stars of Orion and you can use them as a jumping off point to other constellations.

If you can get along to a viewing night with other Ice in Spacers or astronomy clubbers you will find you will learn the basics a lot quicker. Things that are a bit complicated to write down in a post are much easier to explain when you've got the sky above you and you can just point stuff out!

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Old 08-11-2005, 01:12 AM
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If you can get along to a viewing night with other Ice in Spacers or astronomy clubbers you will find you will learn the basics a lot quicker. Things that are a bit complicated to write down in a post are much easier to explain when you've got the sky above you and you can just point stuff out!
I totally agree with Adam, re; writing directions. Better with 'hands on'. L.
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:48 AM
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Thanks Adam and Rajah

I agree, I need to get to one of those viewing nights...seems that there is something up at Mt Cootha on Sat pm which I hope to attend...
Do you know anything about it???
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Old 08-11-2005, 02:06 AM
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np. That's what we're here for. Sorry, don't know about the Brissy stuff. Too far south. Perhaps 1 of the locals. L.
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