F1 - Brazil Qualifying ONE HD 02:30 AEDT Sun 25 Nov 2012

[Manav (Yugant)]

its debatable how about one more race to settle the matter. I nominate san marino

[mithrandir (Andrew)]

Ferrari have only tried protesting because the race finished behind the safety car. Without the safety car packing up the field Vettel would have been far enough ahead of the cars behind him that a 20 sec penalty would not have made enough difference in placings for Alonso to win.

If the marshals and stewards don't require a driver to redress any hypothetical infringement on course, having another team with an axe to grind bring it up later is sour grapes.

[JB80 (Jarrod)]

Ferrari haven't actually protested though, they don't have to at this stage and it's down to the FIA to decide by tomorrow what their ruling is. I suppose if the FIA don't take any action then Ferrari can maybe lodge a protest. It'll all come down to whether it can be proved that there was a green flag waved on lap four at the marshals' post on the inside of the track after the exit of Turn Three.

I don't know if they can actually prove this to be honest but I bet it'll come down to a marshal's "word" which would be neither here nor there but enough to let the boy prince keep his title.

edit:
Turns out the FIA have said there is no case to answer.

[04Stefan07 (Stefan)]

Originally Posted by Manav

its debatable how about one more race to settle the matter. I nominate san marino

A fantastic track that is missed!

I would like to see them back at the A1 Ring in Austria.

[MikeyB (Michael)]

Originally Posted by 04Stefan07

I would like to see them back at the A1 Ring in Austria.

Now known as the Red Bull Ring, after Herr Mateschitz bought and refurbished it.

[gary]

Sydney Morning Herald article here -
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/motorspo...130-2aknp.html

[gary]

BBC article here -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20541589

Originally Posted by BBC

on-board videos of the incident appeared to show a marshal waving a green flag on the inside of the track.
It has emerged that the incident was not investigated during the race because a green flag was being waved at a marshals' post after Turn Three. Vettel only began his move after passing that flag.

BBC Sport understands several team bosses have seen the footage of the incident and agree a green flag was being waved at the marshals' post.

Race director Charlie Whiting has told the drivers that the first signal is what counts - whether it is a light or a flag.

[gary]

And at the end of the day it was still one amazing race to watch with so many
compelling moments -

The Ferrari's roaring around the Red Bulls within the space of a couple of
hundred meters at the start.

The Iceman braking late and deciding to exit the track on the right rather than
taking out his ping pong playing mate.

Vettel getting spun around by the collision with Senna and that in car view as the
pack is coming at you doing 200km+ and imagining the rapid train of thought
going through Vettel's head at that moment -
"Please guys don't hit me..."
"Car is not stalled. I have to get around and join the back of the pack now!"
"Hope the car isn't badly damaged".
"... the world championship".

Alonso straying off track (will his chances be over?)

Vettel's amazing charge all the way from the back of the pack passing
cars one my one on a super slippery track (the type of thing
you only can ever do in a video game on the Easy setting).

Adrian Newey looking at that wonderful A3 blow-up of the damage on Vettel's RB8
and analyzing it (images of wind tunnel airflow computations going on in
Newey's head).

It's carbon fiber. It should hold! But will it get worse?
Will the FIA give Vettel the black with orange circle flag?

Grosejean finally doing it to himself and taking a quick route to the barrier.

Webber being KK'd.

Hulkenberg passing a McLaren!

The battle of the McLarens (don't take each other out guys!).

The ebb and flow of the damp weather and what tyre to be on at any time.

The place was like an ice skating rink and Button is on slicks!

The Iceman taking us on the scenic tour of one of the tracks exits -
I can get through here - a dead end!

The forward looking in-camera views coming down the straight with the mist
of the car in front of you giving the most tenuous of visibility yet you are
closing on the car in front fast.

The two Ferrari drivers acting as team mates. The two Red Bull drivers acting as team mates!

Vettel has no radio, pits unexpectantly and watches for what seems like an
eternity as that last guy runs out of the garage with the intermediate tyre
(Red Bull should pay for that team member's gym membership)

Plus many more heart stopping moments.

[MikeyB (Michael)]

Originally Posted by gary

Adrian Newey looking at that wonderful A3 blow-up of the damage on Vettel's RB8 and analyzing it (images of wind tunnel airflow computations going on in Newey's head). It's carbon fiber. It should hold! But will it get worse? Will the FIA give Vettel the black with orange circle flag?

The Iceman taking us on the scenic tour of one of the tracks exits - I can get through here - a dead end!

It's interesting that Newey was once viewed as a designer of fast cars that had the Archilles heel of being fragile. Now, they seem well on the way to being indestructible!

Kimi's off-track jaunt was actually a mid-race break - he was looking for an icecream vendor. Yet somehow he still finished in the points (just).

[gary]

The F1 2m45s Brazil "race edit" video is now available at the F1 web site -
http://www.formula1.com/video/race_edits/

Registration, which is free, may be required to watch the videos.

I hadn't noticed during the race broadcast itself, but at 2m21s Vettel gives a wave
of thanks to his mentor and compatriot, Michael Schumacher, as Schumacher
allows him to pass.