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Originally Posted by rat156
As to the people here who claim to know what all the wars are "really" about, safe and sound in their lounge rooms in one of the safest countries in the world, to be honest, you really have no clue at all. Do you really think that the Chief of the Defence Force would allow his troops to fight and die for spurious reasons? They have all been intelligent men who value their personnel more than their carreer, if the fight wasn't just or worth it they would have resigned in protest. Sometimes you just have to trust that some people know more that you do, or what you can read on the Internet.
Cheers
Stuart
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Stuart, I have resisted responding to your ill informed and inflammatory comments for some time.... but it's a bit like trying to ignore a splinter under your skin.
Anyway, you clearly are not aware of a few historical facts such as;
Australia:
The resignation of Andrew Wilke.
Andrew was the situation analyst at ONA (Office of National Assessments - Australia's equivalent of the CIA) His brief was to analyse the threats posed to Australia, specifically from the Middle East. He had access to all the intelligence provided by the US and was
the man who was responsible for advising the federal government on their significance.
In his own words, the Howard government completely misrepresented the facts to the Australian people and drove us in to a war unnecessarily. He goes on to say that he "was witness to some of the greatest malfeasance in this countries history".
In the UK; Carne Ross served as the UK delegation's expert on the Middle East at the United Nations, he resigned from his post some time later (2004) for similar reasons. He argued that available alternatives to war were ignored. He also intimates that the Butler commission was little more than a sham designed to absolve the Blair government of its culpability.
In the U.S. ;
An interesting insight in to the Iraq conflict might be gained by the study of the actions of Scooter Libby in the Valerie Plame scandal. Plame was a CIA NOC, publicly outed by Libby.... not because her intel' was in any way faulty. She was exposed because the information she provided proved that the claims being made to justify war were actually fabrications designed to get the American people in to a war for political reasons.
Libby should have swung from a rope for treason but he was given an official pardon instead... Plame's career was destroyed and a valuable field asset was lost.
In Afghanistan;
The Taliban had offered Bin Laden to the US prior to 9/11... and several times after. The US declined.
Pakistan;
The Taliban offer up Bin Laden for trial in Pakistan...
The move is blocked by the ISI.
Iran;
Tehran offers full logistical, financial military and intelligence support to the US to help defeat Al Qaeda and their sponsors in Afghanistan. Iran masses troops on the Afghan border in an attempt to stop militants crossing.
In response, Donald Rumsfeld steps in to block any possibility of cooperation, a baseless (and false) claim is leaked to the media implicating Iran in lending material support to
the terrorists.
Iran is put on the
Axis of Evil list.
This is all in the public record.... I would hope that if you wish to contest any of this, you don't just post a denial and leave me with the burden of doing your research for you.
~c
Mick ex RAAF
