I feel sick

[xelasnave]

I agree and that is why I find it difficult to accept that we sadly overlook the many highly inteligent creatures (humans) that suffer often and via preventable actions of other humans.

Cruelty is common place all around the world and we accept most of it without a realisation that these cruel things are with us and need attention.

I makes me wonder what is the game when folk are so concerned with "global warming" and yet there are so many immediate problems that go unrecognised ...slavery is common world wide yet ask anyone and they will tell you slavery was abolished after the American civil war...well sadly that is not the case but that view is convenience and lets folk moralise on stuff in the future such that they can create an industry dealing with hypotheticals so as to avoid the current realities of the world that attention may well fix.

All creatures deserve respect..inteligent or on our estimate..not inteligent...even if they irritate you they deserve respect. Our inteligence should not let us look down on other creatures it should enable us to enjoy compassion and kindness.

alex
alex

[jungle11 (Greg)]

That's got alot to do with it, i think. Dolphins are smart and curious and playful - they don't fear us. It's like walloping the beloved family dog. The thing that upset me the most about that video was that they were killed mercilessly - just stabbed and left to bleed out. Only humans could justify something like that as 'tradition'

[xelasnave]

Bleeding out like drowning is not a bad way to go... ask someone who has slashed their wrists.
I was horrified at a Aboriginal "cookout" when they placed the live turtles upside down and very much alive on the coals...they really must go thru agony with the slow cooking style.
Funny as they were preparing the cook told a whitey to place the porky pine in the Sun...the whitey asked why.. looking for a mysterious answer as to how that helped...but was met with...to thaw the bloody thing out of course.

alex

[matt]

Alex.

I appreciate your comments, and attempts to broaden the scope of this discussion.

But, with all due respect, this really is about a very specific and utterly cruel practice which was detailed within the first few posts.

As I pointed out earlier, you really do need to see this footage before drawing such wide-sweeping parallels or making generalisations, as true as many of those are.

These creatures were not 'bled' in a calm and passive manner as you describe, as not being such a 'bad way to go'.

Have a look at the footage, mate. Have a look. Lest ye look like ye don't know what you're talkin' aboot!!!

[xelasnave]

Matt I take your point and to identify my position I think the practice is disgraceful.
alex

[matt]

No worries, mate.

[KenGee (Kenith Gee)]

Dare I say he who cast the stone. Catching any wild animal for slaughter is quite a shocking event to watch. I can see nothing special about cetaceans in that respect. Don’t get me wrong I’m a animal lover , I marched in support of a international ban on whaling. But we allow other marine creatures to die in a similar way here in Australia. As Alex said even our domestic farm animals are treated “badly” at times as well. The business of killing another animal so you can eat is a messing business, you can fool yourself that somehow different methods are more “ethical” then others but is boils down to killing. For billions of people around the world bleeding an animal to death is the only acceptable way of preparing a animal for the table. The cow, sheep or pig will take several minutes to die. So while I’m not defending the actions of these people, I am questioning your outrage.

[matt]

Originally Posted by KenGee

So while I’m not defending the actions of these people, I am questioning your outrage.

Really? Why is that? Frankly, I'm concerned at your lack of outrage.

Because unless you've seen the footage you're really not speaking from an informed position.

Regardless, it's your decision to accept dolphin farming/slaughter in the context in which you've explained. I'm sure you are not alone.

As I tried to point out to Alex...I'm not comfortable with the argument that just because we sometimes treat animals here in Australia badly...that somehow diminishes our position to be angry with what occurs overseas. I'll say it again...two wrongs don't make a right. How can you be sure I've also not had plenty to say about our domestic 'practices'?

This is the problem with a thread like this. It gets 'spun off' into a broader debate about all manner of ethical ins and outs.

My initial post was to point out an issue I had been made aware of...and to express a simple 'outraged' point of view aimed in that singular direction. It wasn't meant to be a broad statement...although I am fully aware it opens into one.

I appreciate the efforts of Alex and yourself to make everyone aware of the 'bigger picture', but you're preaching to the converted. We know.

I just wanted to point something out which upset me and to share this emotion with the good folk here at IIS.

Anyway...peace and kind wishes to you, and thanks for the input.

[xelasnave]

Lets look at the greater good... from this we can see the cruelty in many areas...and we respond...that is good.

I am sorry I put forward an unfortunate reality of humans killing animals and that draining blood is somewhat the best way...but it is that way unfortunately.

however we should still be outraged by the cruelty..hopefully a day will come when we humans who feel compassion are the majority and not the minority on this planet.

I think all feel the same way about this and it is difficult to express our feelings so as to embrass unfortunate realities... I hate to see anything killed, I hate to see suffering be it animal or human yet such is all about us..one day thijngs will be better...once Dublin was the slave capital of the world...children, men and ladies were mere chattels..the horror of such to us unbelievable ..unimaginable really...that has changed and other things now with us will change and it is our disgust with current accepted norms that is the start..we must be united in our disgust and one day it will be different...look you can not but a slave in Dublin these days...so we do move forward.

alex