Obviously nibiru must be made of dark matter if it can't be seen, or it's gravitational effects can't be felt
Actually dark matter (assuming it really exists) gives away its presence by its gravitational effects. I think the first inkling that it may exist came from studies of galactic rotation and the realisation that there had to be more mass than was seen to account for the velocity distribution.
Actually dark matter (assuming it really exists) gives away its presence by its gravitational effects. I think the first inkling that it may exist came from studies of galactic rotation and the realisation that there had to be more mass than was seen to account for the velocity distribution.
I know, I'm a party pooper.
Darn it .... (no !!! I am now talking like Miss Piggy from Alaska !!!) ya beat me to the punch ....
Please picture me, sitting in front of the P.C, gently shaking my head in disbelief, muttering quietly but occasionally choking back fits of raucous laughter at the material at the link sites.
Dunk, if you can call that "evidence" then all the best of luck with it mate. As I said earlier, beyond this, I can only get seriously sarcastic about it ... but somehow I just can't find the energy to do so at 5.20am after a loooong night observing with the 'scope.
Carefull guys ..the poster is probably fishing for selective quotes(even in jest) to be offered at that whackoville website as further proof of whatevers existance .. Tolerance and factual discourse isn't going to ever win the
day in this thread ... couldn't we just delete this and any further
posts on the alleged topic ...
Or failing that lets shift the disscusion to why did this stylish
and cheap little car not find favour with car buyers ?.. and what spelled end of this car maker in the marketplace.
Hmmm, I hadn't actually expected a failed star to have tyres and headlights but I do have to admit that it is easy to see. How far does it go on a tank of plasma?
Thanks for your replies, seems Nibiru is not the easiest subject to discuss here, unless of course you are a quantum physicist, or have a Ph.D in Astronomy, we all have one of those, don't we.
Anyhow it's just a pleasure to be part of this Astronomy website, it's no doubt one of the best on this planet, we should be proud of that at least.
Thanks for your replies, seems Nibiru is not the easiest subject to discuss here, unless of course you are a quantum physicist, or have a Ph.D in Astronomy, we all have one of those, don't we.
Anyhow it's just a pleasure to be part of this Astronomy website, it's no doubt one of the best on this planet, we should be proud of that at least.
Thanks again for your comments.
Dunk, I know I've only got an outside chance of persuading you otherwise but I'd just ask you to look at the claims relating to Nibiru and the Zetas etc very carefully.
Yes you are right that some of the people here are scientifically trained, many others are very well educated and a great many are extremely experienced amateur astronomers and skywatchers. That doesn't mean they have completely "closed" minds -- instead we look for "proof" -- that's all. When it doesn't exist or is so flimsy that it holds little or no credence, we have to say it how it is. I'd suggest you examine the so called evidence for Nibiru very carefully, with an open mind and I think you'll find what there is, is very flimsy and a lot of it contradicts itself and/or contradicts physical laws and the observed, proven state of things.
Please, take a good look at it with critical eyes and re-assess it carefully. I've tried very carefully in this thread to take the question seriously and not turn it into a whipping post -- mainly in the hope that some "believers" will stumble upon it and go away and question things critically. Please try and do that -- you don't need a PHd or anything like it to do that, just an intelligent inquiring mind as the vast majority here have.
The problem with this Nibiru business is that most of the people who make these grand pronouncements about the whole thing have little to no working knowledge of science. They bring their own preconceived notions to what they read and write and because they don't understand what they see they just follow the "accepted" paradigm. Most of this stuff is quasi-religious in nature and it contains a great hodge-podge of beliefs about the "end of the world". This gets mixed in with the more loopy ideas on an equally quasi-religious nature about ET, space and such. What makes it tragic is that because they have little understanding of science, they can make any proclaimation and use real science to back up their conspiracies just by twisting the science to match what they believe in. If it sounds "scientific" enough, you can fool anyone into believing any crackpot theory...only thing is those who do know something about science can see right through the nonsense. Problem is most scientists aren't eloquent enough wordsmiths or persuasive enough speakers to be able to counter this sort on thing. It's much easier to follow and believe someone who can tell a cracker story and sound authentic enough, than to listen to someone that actually knows what they're talking about but can't get it across in a convincing enough manner. It's all about the "sales" pitch. All you need is a receptive audience, one with just enough education to be truly ignorant and easy to sway with a clever and convincing argument.
I am now talking like Miss Piggy from Alaska !!!
) ya beat me to the punch ....
