Moon Hoax - Page 2

fringe_dweller · #21 19-05-2005, 06:02 PM

I once read that many large aperture scopes (including the opposition) were able to see the orbiter - orbiting the moon (I dont know if that is mentioned in the above linked webpages or not) Didnt the Russians even help with relaying transmissions and stuff? And what about some of those amateur ham radio guys - werent they able to monitor some transmissions and do telemetry with such transmissions - i could be talking thru my hat here?? LOL sorry
I remember the half day off school in grade 5/6? and watching it on telly very clearly - the excitement and emotion is hard to convey these days of course.
Cheers
Fringey

Astroman (Andrew Wall) · #22 19-05-2005, 06:11 PM

I don't know about being hard to convey, I always get a tear to the eye when the shuttle goes up or down or seeing a sattelite being deployed, maybe I am just soft, but to me it shows how smart we are, but how much we are being held back by govenments etc... ooops sorry getting polltical now.

True hell yess, would cost a hell of alot more to fake it.

fringe_dweller · #23 19-05-2005, 06:30 PM

stuffed up again! was born '63 so in grade 1 or 2 - good grief - dont remember much else from that age - but i remember that vividly - I have definitely got to think more before posting - profuse apologies! (do many ppl get these posts as emails? - i hope not! - or are the boards more commonly just perused via a browser? if they do get em as emails broadly - then i will be more careful in bulk postings)
Re shuttle i always find it eerie to think i had a great long accidental look at Columbia in the west the evening before, not having a clue to what was to happen of course. i didnt normally look out for shuttle passings - and i hadnt consiously seen it for ages at the time.
Fringey

Dennis · #24 19-05-2005, 09:17 PM

I lived through the Mercury, Gemini, Luna and Apollo era and there is no doubt that what we saw and heard was real and not part of a multi-faceted, international, decade long, coordinated, enduring and sophisticated hoax.

Born in 1954 and having lived through the amazing ‘60s, I enjoy first hand knowledge of all these programs, that ran consistently like a daily thread throughout my life in that decade.

People who did not live through Mercury, Gemini, Luna and Apollo do not have any personal experience, so it is easy to unsettle their beliefs; they do not have the benefit and reality of a decade of actual life experience, indelibly impressed in countless memories, from living daily with these enormous well publicised programs, with their myriad images, live broadcasts from multiple networks, spanning multiple countries, straddling some 10 years.

To try to tell me that what I lived through and experienced from Apollo 11 in 1969 through to Apollo 17 in 1972 is a hoax, is as nonsensical and absurd as saying that I did not have a delicious home made curry for tea tonight and that I am not typing this message on my keyboard.

Someone who has not lived through my experience may only have a two dimensional photo as a reference point. If that photo "looks strange" and they have no other knowledge of Apollo then yes - they can doubt the program and be swayed by inaccurate arguments.

I know what I saw and lived through, and who I am. There was no hoax - Apollo and the lunar landings were real.

Cheers

Dennis

Moonman (Michael) · #25 19-05-2005, 09:36 PM

Ultimately any endeavour noble or otherwise will always be a target for skepticism and ridicule as we exist in a post-modern world were all authority and knowledge is to be questioned.

Unfortunately in this case its a real kick in the teeth for all those who strived to makethe Moon Landings a reality and to create one of the truly great and everlasting moments in History.

The conspiracy theorists seemingly thrive on the despair and doubt they create in peoples minds' especially in a modern world where all authority, scientific, political and religous is held as questionable.

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #26 19-05-2005, 09:38 PM

I have a very open mind to accept changes in information.

Often it can be exciting to discover new findings (eg: I got excited to find out LMC is a barred spiral).

But I remember being sent home from school (school didn't have a TV) to watch this monumental event on telly. I watched in awe!

For many many years I would look up at the 'ol fella' and say "men have been up there, Wow!"

If it is ever proven to be a fake, one of the greatest memories of my childhood would be dashed.

I believe they where there, but if for the sake of some stupid political game it was all faked, and could prove it, I would be devistated.

I would have to accept it, but gee I wouldn't be happy.

mojo (Terry) · #27 19-05-2005, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by frogman
...has anyone found the landing site through their scopes ????
Or spotted the lunar "Cart/module" is there any evidence of the landing ????

no. but you can see the shadow the lunar modules cast.
http://stupendous.rit.edu/richmond/a...ar_lander.html

It always amazes me that people are more inclined to believe lying scum of the earth Rupert Murdoch media, than thousands of scientists and not to mention the Russians who would have been the first to blow the whistle if it didn't happen.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #28 19-05-2005, 10:18 PM

Paul,

You are making me feel better. To me, the memory of watching the event is one of those warm fuzzies you get when being nostalgic about childhood.

Sorry to sound non-scientific about it, but it was an important milestone in my life watching it happen.

I did watch the documentary about the 'Hoax' and it didn't convince me! No-one, NO-ONE would get away with a hoax that big.

rumples riot · #29 19-05-2005, 10:27 PM

See you only have to think about it and it all makes sense. The hoaxsters can't win if you use logic.

slice of heaven · #30 19-05-2005, 10:37 PM

Good thread Froggy

wavelandscott (Scott) · #31 19-05-2005, 10:52 PM

No real point or meaning in this post...just a pointless ramble (not so different than my normal post)

I find this topic curious on so many levels...

One, "science" oriented people can get excited about science and its defense...we use the terms fact, logic etc. (not belief or trust) but do participate in a quest for "truth"...is it fair to say that we become "passionate and emotional" about it...what would Mr. Spock say?

Second, that we live in a time that is so cynical and sceptical that governments (or most anything larger than our immediate clan) can not be trusted...(again an absence of belief and/or trust)

Where did the belief and trust in our insitutions or each other go?

Growing up in the US during the time of the Apollo launches and Viet Nam...I am torn between the conflicting viewpoints...

While I have no doubt about the moon landings authenticity (they happened)...living in a time of "advertising and spin control" even I find myself attracted to the pseudo science appeal of the conspiracy theory...

What an odd being us humans are...

And with that, I "believe" that I will go to bed!

Rodstar (Rod) · #32 19-05-2005, 11:03 PM

The hoax theory reminds me of the claims of astrology; people believe what they want to believe, no matter how idiotic or unscientific those beliefs may be.

jackenau · #33 19-05-2005, 11:04 PM

What a good analogy of the subject.

It did happen!

Some people just have to come up with different inferences as to why it did not happen, makes the world go around.

A bit like a debate team -

Ken M

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #34 19-05-2005, 11:11 PM

Ken M,

About $2.

Extra with sauce!

astroron (Ron) · #35 19-05-2005, 11:19 PM

As I lay in my tent in a malay jungle listening to the Moon landing on the Voice of America Armed Forces radio from Vietnam I was so exited that it was happening in my life time and then when I got back to Singapore and watched the grainy images played over and over again, it was one of the great moments of my life, and whatever any of the sceptics say I will go to my grave believing that it happened. Astroron

ballaratdragons (Ken) · #36 19-05-2005, 11:24 PM

Very well put Ron!

It was special wasn't it!

slice of heaven · #37 19-05-2005, 11:24 PM

BD
7c with sauce when they stepped on the moon

MiG · #38 19-05-2005, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by toetoe
I would like to believe that it did happen, but it is so hard for one to find out which way to lean as on both sides of the fence there are very strong arguments to say they did and they did not. I think this one will be 50 50 for some time yet.

Errr, excuse me? Both sides have strong arguments? No, one side is filled with morons who have no clue about anything technical.
There are also people that aren't really morons, but they don't have a clue about general scientific knowledge and as such they believe the morons' "arguments".

This topic always sets me off.

As for the good old glory days and governments holding things back, how do you expect enourmous quantities of tax payer money to be spent on space when tax payers aren't interested?
Although a counter argument could be that this happens with war funding already.

johnno · #39 20-05-2005, 01:15 AM

Hi All,
I was a teenager at the time,and I firmly believe the moon landing was NOT a hoax.
My reasoning has nothing to do with scientific fact,or anything else,other than the fact,that humans being what we are, could not possibly keep quiet if it was a hoax,There must have been hundreds of people very closely associated with the landing,if it was a hoax I find it impossible to believe all these people have kept quiet over so many years.
Regards.John

ving (David) · #40 20-05-2005, 12:58 PM

I believe that it is possible that people landed on the moon. I also believe it probable... at the sam time I keep an open mind to arguements against the landing. closed mindedness is bad in so many ways....

that said.... THERE ARE NO ALIENS