2016 census. One step closer to the police state

[AndrewJ]

Gday Leon

I really cant see why so many have issues with this Census stuff.

I have put my name and other information on plenty of other government forms, one more wont really matter.

This will be the ONLY database that has EVERYONE in it.
All the other databases only have subsets of the population
and only limited data. This links everything together ( which is their stated intention ).
If you want to waste some time reading about whats going on in Oz and elsewhere re data security/hacking/snooping, a good start is "The Register",
I like the recent article on the ABS using twitter posts to "help" people.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08...t_twitter_ids/
Data is getting stolen and misused all the time.
Why make it easier

Andrew

[Kunama]

Originally Posted by leon

A paper form was put in our letter box and that was it.
I can do it online if I want, with the number supplied within this form,
but I have already filled it out and it is ready for posting.

I really cant see why so many have issues with this Census stuff.

I have put my name and other information on plenty of other government forms, one more wont really matter.

After applying for the pension and visiting Centerlink for instance, makes this Census form pretty basic.

Leon

+1
There is nothing in this Census form that is not already available to any hacker at the myriad sites that our lives are plastered on in binary.......

If you fill out an income tax return and enrol your kids in school, obtain a credit card or partake in Medicare, private health funds, insurances etc each year, you already disclose everything this census asks and much more......

Oddly, if you are a self funded retiree your census shows you have an income but there is nowhere that discloses how you earn that income.........
because you don't perform any work, you don't seek work etc it does not ask about your income sources but just skips the questions....

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by rally

Privacy of our personal information is a fundamental right in this country.

Don't kid yourself..

You do NOT have any rights, you just have a few temporary privileges.

If you disagree with that, then ask yourself... who determined those rights?

Answer: The guys with the biggest stick (talk to an indigenous Australian about their perspective of recent history)

ergo: Your rights are valid up until the point where someone with a bigger stick comes along or the incumbent
stick holder resets the rules.

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by DarkArts

Absolutely agree.

Having said that, I just completed the Census online and the only thing I found objectionable was the name entry. Everything else was routine.

Now go and read about ALL the other data they will match it to. They'll want to know DNA at this rate.

[Kunama]

Originally Posted by el_draco

Now go and read about ALL the other data they will match it to. They'll want to know DNA at this rate.

Now wouldn't it be great if the DNA profiles could be attached to the census, unsolved crimes would be a thing of the past.. might as well attach fingerprints as well......

I'll gladly give up my right to privacy if it means women and children are safer from violence and drug pushers....

[AndrewJ]

Gday Matt

unsolved crimes would be a thing of the past..

Your Dreamin.
Someone shoots someone from a distance. No DNA, no conviction.
How many police over time have been accused/convicted of "planting evidence" ?. Poor sod they dont like didnt do the crime but gets convicted anyway to keep up the numbers.
Lifes not that simple, tho im sure the wallopers would like it to be so.

Andrew

[glend (Glen)]

If you touched the form they should be able to lift a print if they really tried. As to crime, with all this data they can just let the Pre-Cogs make the assessment. Great movie, even if it did have Tom Cruise in it.

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by Kunama

I'll gladly give up my right to privacy if it means women and children are safer from violence and drug pushers....

Seriously Matt... you have worked for ASIO and still don't realise that contemporary Western Intelligence agencies (and their proxies) are amongst the biggest drug Lords in ALL of human history?
And let's not even start on the subject of their use of violence to achieve a political objective.... (I think that's what used to be called terrorism, but it's hard to know these days seeing as the definition is now changed to: 'someone who disagrees with the puppets installed by the multinational corporations in any given state)

[Kunama]

Originally Posted by clive milne

Seriously ...... Western Intelligence agencies (and their proxies) are amongst the biggest drug Lords in ALL of human history.....

Well one does need to be creative when it comes to boosting one's annual budget. .... Just the overtime bill is horrendous. When I worked in the Organised Crime Branch of the ??? , we worked (and were paid for) 24 hrs a day for weeks on end........ Those were the days......

You guys worry too much, chill a little , life is too short to be so paranoid.....

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by Kunama

You guys worry too much, chill a little , life is too short to be so paranoid.....

Yeah... we may all end up so depressed that we commit suicide like the investigative journalist, Gary Webb...

Impressive individual Gary.. showed how the CIA were involved with the biggest cocaine dealers in the US, then in a pique of remorse, committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.. TWICE
I imagine Patrick Tillman would understand.

[clive milne]

And then of course we have the puppet psychopath installed by the CIA in Afghanistan immediately after 9/11.. who's brother just happened to be the heroin king pin of planet Earth. That would be just after the Taliban banned opium production on ethical reasons (who knew?)
Regime change..
Military transport.. (No pesky customs inspections)
Afghanistan goes from zero to 90% global heroin market domination in a single year...
Laos and Vietnam are so yesterday!

Nothing to see here folks..

Incidentally.. anyone hear about the private jet contracted by the CIA for their entirely legitimate torture camp at Guantanamo?

Just happened to crash with a couple of tonnes of cocaine in it in Mexico...
I can post the links, but it may be more revealing if you google it yourself...

Certainly... we need to give these guys greater access to our personal lives... because, you know, there may be drug dealers out there and stuff.. and knowing how innocent people conduct their lives will help us round up all the baddies.... that would be the demographic of people who don't fill out their census forms...
You can see how that works?

[Kunama]

I can't be bothered Googling stuff anymore, at the moment I am trying to memorise the various Flight plan sequences for the Apollo missions. This will keep me busy for years.....

At least I now have 5 years before I need to fill out another Census....

[doppler (Rick)]

If it all goes to plan you will only have to verify/update your address for the next census, the rest will be auto filled.

[Kunama]

Originally Posted by doppler

If it all goes to plan you will only have to verify/update your address for the next census, the rest will be auto filled.

Not really necessary, it will be on my tax return, bank accounts, rates notices, Medicare docs, car rego, passport, drivers licence et al......

"THEY" already know everything...... Think of the Government Census being like a Police interview, in 20 years of interviewing people, I never asked a suspect a question I did not already know the answer to......

They're probably watching you as you type.......

[doppler (Rick)]

With the big push to paperless you can still get by without updating address details with most institutions if you move, and just use your virtual address ie email.

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by Kunama

I'll gladly give up my right to privacy if it means women and children are safer from violence and drug pushers....

Claiming you are surrendering your privacy to protecting women an children is just a throw away bit of "political correct" rubbish.

With all the knowledge those in power already have, this world is a far more dangerous place for everyone, including men, than its probably ever been so how can you even come close to justifying such a ridiculous statement? The drug epidemic is greater than at any time in history and more women and children die in conflicts on every scale than ever before...

Originally Posted by Kunama

You guys worry too much, chill a little , life is too short to be so paranoid.....

An old addage seems appropriate: "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Give these agencies to much power and, as history has proven ad infinitum, the power you give them will be used against you in the end.

Compare our existence with people in the past. We have significantly less freedom than they did and you are willing to piss the rest of it off? REALLY?

... and what kind of a world do you want the next generation to inherit? One in which they are encoded on every level... where opening your mouth in dissent gets you targeted as a matter of course? Think a bit more about the rights you are sacrificing for future generations before you relinquish them, for once they are gone, you ain't gonna get them back without paying a mighty price.

History has proven that as well.

[xelasnave]

The biggest threat to ones rights is the cost of legal representation.
When its one man with limited capital against a government, corporation or a wealthy opponent there is little hope that the underdog can call upon the law which of itself is well balanced and fair.

[Stonius (Markus)]

Originally Posted by el_draco

This world is a far more dangerous place for everyone, including men, than its probably ever been so how can you even come close to justifying such a ridiculous statement? The drug epidemic is greater than at any time in history and more women and children die in conflicts on every scale than ever before...

I thought it was the opposite. I've read in a number of places that we are currently in the greatest period of peacetime the world has ever known. Yes, there are conflicts, but less people are dying worldwide as a percentage of population than ever before. Regarding drugs - many weren't invented before the 50's, so what's your point? How do you know that meth use hasn't just increased as drug users switch from other drugs? It's possible that the percentage of addicts stays relatively constant over time, it's just a matter of what drugs they have access to. Do you have any data?

Originally Posted by el_draco

Compare our existence with people in the past. We have significantly less freedom than they did and you are willing to piss the rest of it off? REALLY?

Yeh, lets go back to the good old days where people like us who thought the Earth goes around the Sun could be executed. Come on, you're not really serious about this? The mere fact that you can speak out against the powers that be, in a public forum without fear of a knock at the door at midnight proves you wrong. The 'good old days' were not as good as I think you make out.

Markus

[sn1987a (Barry)]

Statistically I've got about 360 new moons left and a lot of those will be raining or cloudy

[el_draco (Rom)]

Originally Posted by Stonius

I thought it was the opposite. I've read in a number of places that we are currently in the greatest period of peacetime the world has ever known. Yes, there are conflicts, but less people are dying worldwide as a percentage of population than ever before. Regarding drugs - many weren't invented before the 50's, so what's your point? How do you know that meth use hasn't just increased as drug users switch from other drugs? It's possible that the percentage of addicts stays relatively constant over time, it's just a matter of what drugs they have access to. Do you have any data?

The world is more dangerous now than ever before. Just a couple of examples:
- There are more refugees in the world now than at any other time since WWII.
- At any at point in time a number of nations can sterilise this planet with nuclear weapons.
- The devastation of the global environment is a slow moving train wreck occurring despite the clear evidence given to world governments. Try standing up to governments on any of those issues and they have the "data" to prove it.

Drugs have been an issue for millennia. You can read about the opium wars as an example. Despite all the information that now exists about both new, and old, drugs and a supposed "war on drugs", both legal and illicit drug use has escalated around the world. When an isolated town in N.W. Tassie has a massive issue with drugs, you begin to understand that governments having "more data" is not the answer. Even when given the data, they refuse to act on it out of vested self interest... as with most issues.

Originally Posted by Stonius

Come on, you're not really serious about this? The mere fact that you can speak out against the powers that be, in a public forum without fear of a knock at the door at midnight proves you wrong. The 'good old days' were not as good as I think you make out.

Markus

In a number of Australian states, right now, if you protest peacefully about corporate greed and environmental devastation, you can be imprisoned for your beliefs. They don't wait for a the night to knock on your door. Government sanctioned! In other countries, you just get killed on the spot.

The powers that be used to announce when they would be at a particular place so that the people could come and talk to them. Seen a P.M. do that lately?

The "good old days" were certainly tougher in many respects but you didn't face a national police state run by people who knew everything about you. In recent history, like the last 100 years, various countries have compiled files on their populations and used that information as a weapon of terror. Examples: NAZI's, East Germany, Soviet Union, China. The "good ol" U.S.A. , (Land of the free, remember?), and many other western countries are on the same trajectory. Permanent state of surveillance...

The more information a government has about individuals, the more it is likely to use it to control your life. That is a simple fact of history. Now our innocent looking little ABS is setting itself up as an all seeing repository of information about YOU. Purpose? You can stick your head in the ground and say, "It just isn't so", or you can deal with it...

People are surrendering their rights without even a whimper and its a pathetic attitude.