Is this anyway to treat an IIS Member - Page 2

hotspur (Chris) · #21 27-06-2013, 06:30 PM

That's really weird Flash-no one here should have to put up that crap,I'd go and tell them what to do with their item in no uncertain terms.I've never heard of such a put on anywhere like that before-most people here are pretty good honest people,and happy to talk on the phone.I made the mistake once here,not having a chat on the phone re a purchase-I always do that,but once did not do it-and paid the price and got hood winked.I later found out there is a bit if an 'underground' here of that sort of thing-from supposedly well manned members-but that's goes on anywhere where there is gathering of humans.But as to your seller pulling that capper up Flash-I'd say if you get a bad feeling right from the start-usually that's where it ends.Sorry to read that you had to put up with that.

Cavet-this is not a whinge at the mods or any of the child boards here-all of which are well run,but just an observation of what can go on anywhere.

FlashDrive (Poppy) · #22 27-06-2013, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

Col,

Did you try to resolve this with the seller before you went public? I agree it prima facie sounds wrong but I generally do like to hear both sides before making a decision.

The ' tone ' of the message sent to me, indicated very clearly that you WILL FORFEIT your money if you do not go ahead with the Sale.....something that WAS NOT addressed to me, PRIOR to my making the deposit.

In other words...in no uncertain terms..........I'M TAKING YOUR MONEY REGARDLESS.

How do you deal with an individual AFTER they say that..... ...remember...they now have your deposit....they are pretty much in control of things now....
It's silly for the person to conduct business that way.....he obviously has no trust ...HOW do I know if he was going to send me the goods once I had paid in full......I HAVE TO TRUST HIM ...don't I.

I will never deal with that person again.....they have bought this on themselves.............how stupid can you be.

Negotiate a ' settlement ' if I was to ' back out ' ...as I said ...give up $50.00 for the inconvenience .....BUT....SORRY ..YOU LOSE ALL OF THE $200.00.

No other conditions were offered..... ...and no negotiation either.....and remember this was AFTER I had deposited the money.

and as far as going public......no names are mentioned....its purely a ' be careful ' thread for other members....

Flash....

mozzie (Peter) · #23 27-06-2013, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashDrive

The ' tone ' of the message sent to me, indicated very clearly that you WILL FORFEIT your money if you do not go ahead with the Sale.....something that WAS NOT addressed to me, PRIOR to my making the deposit.

In other words...in no uncertain terms..........I'M TAKING YOUR MONEY REGARDLESS.

How do you deal with an individual AFTER they say that..... ...remember...they now have your deposit....they are pretty much in control of things now....
It's silly for the person to conduct business that way.....he obviously has no trust ...HOW do I know if he was going to send me the goods once I had paid in full......I HAVE TO TRUST HIM ...don't I.

I will never deal with that person again.....they have bought this on themselves.............how stupid can you be.

Negotiate a ' settlement ' if I was to ' back out ' ...as I said ...give up $50.00 for the inconvenience .....BUT....SORRY ..YOU LOSE ALL OF THE $200.00.

No other conditions were offered..... ...and no negotiation either.....and remember this was AFTER I had deposited the money.

and as far as going public......no names are mentioned....its purely a ' be careful ' thread for other members....

Flash....

leaves a bad taste in your mouth....

Kunama · #24 27-06-2013, 07:30 PM

Thankfully this seems to be a very unique occurrence. Since September last year I have bought well in excess of $10,000 worth of equipment from members here and have had only very pleasant dealings, same goes for the items I have sold.
I do, however, always have a quick look at peoples prior postings but that's just due to the 2 decades of police work, hard to kick the habit.

Stardrifter_WA · #25 27-06-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FlashDrive

This has been an ' experience ' that I encountered recently.

The ' Seller ' asked me to make a deposit to their bank account so as to ' validate ' my intentions to buy the ' said item '.....nothing else was said to me regarding the ' transaction ' .

I deposited $200.00 to their Account.....

Now for the bit that ' stinks ' ......the Seller messages me back thanking me for the deposit.....then informs me I have ' FORFEITED ' the right for a refund ( you lose your $200.00 ) if I backed out of the Sale.......NOT A WORD was PREVIOUSLY given to me explaining any ' terms or conditions ' about such matters.

That is one way of loosing ' potential ' buyers ( especially me ) in the future. If for some unforeseen reason I had to ' pull out ' of the Sale .... I would gladly throw $50.00 their way for any inconvenience....that's just the sort of person I am.

As it was.....I honored the Sale ( and always intended to ) and the ' item is in my possession.
Why do people have to behave in this manner....?

BTW....I have a history of buying from this member...and have always gone through with every sale.

I'm not asking you to agree with me on this.............just your opinion if you were in my shoes.....I for one don't like this sort of behavior.

Flash......

Hi Flash,

Sorry to hear you have had such a distasteful experience Flash.

It seems such a strange, and silly, thing to do, particularly given that you are a well known and respected member of IIS. Just glad it all ended well.

If I had put a deposit on something, it shows my intention to buy and I would not like someone saying that to me, it would be rather irksome. It is also short sighted on the buyers part as you are less likely to trust that person again, particularly since you have purchased off the seller before. Just seems so strange, maybe Hans is right and the seller had a bad experience, but that doesn't condone this type of behaviour from someone you have successfully dealt with before.

I haven't had any problems with buying from IIS members. All transactions have been pleasantly handled, although I do all transactions through Paypal, for the added level of security. And it is just easier anyway.

BTW Flash, love your new avatar; that's funny.

Cheers Peter

RobF (Rob) · #26 27-06-2013, 08:37 PM

Perhaps whoever it was has been bitten badly by some other unsavoury character Flash? No excuse to behave so brazenly though.

We're lucky so many people in this online community are so honest and helpful. I've only ever had the odd annoyance with people leaving out bits of pieces and ignoring you later which is a bit hurtful. Many others have bent over backwards to be helpful above and beyond expectation.

Hope your future dealings all go smoothly

multiweb (Marc) · #27 28-06-2013, 07:32 AM

Whatever I sell here, on eBay or anywhere I get the full amount cleared before even starting to pack up the item. Unless I know the buyer personally then I might ship straight away. If it's to be shipped I do it registered or express with some kind of tracking so there's no unknown and I let shipping costs known before giving the final sales amount. I also liaise with the buyer for updates and ask if they received it.

I think any negotiation is before paying. Once you committed you pay. If you paid you've already committed. If the item is defective you then sort it out with the seller but that has nothing to do with payment.

When I buy I ask for postal address, name, landline, etc... and external email so I have a mean of communication. Otherwise it's a shot in the dark.

asimov (John) · #28 28-06-2013, 08:39 AM

Nope, that's just not cricket. Fine if you knew about the deal ahead of time but you can't make it up as you go along! Needs a bashing.

mozzie (Peter) · #29 28-06-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by asimov

Nope, that's just not cricket. Fine if you knew about the deal ahead of time but you can't make it up as you go along! Needs a bashing.

the dealings iv'e had with buyers have been fantastic..i usually post item next day and don't worry about the funds being through....i trust people always and being astronomy we are all here for the same reason not to bloody rip people off..let's hope it stays a excellent honest group all with the same purpose...

asimov (John) · #30 28-06-2013, 01:40 PM

Same here Peter, & I'm old school too so I tend to trust ANYONE until they stuff up & not the other way around. I've been doing the odd bit of buying just lately here & the last guy I bought from obviously trusted me 100% as well, considering He posted the item before my transfer cleared. It's good to be trusted & likewise to trust. After saying that, I'm not gullable or stupid

rat156 · #31 28-06-2013, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mozzie

the dealings iv'e had with buyers have been fantastic..i usually post item next day and don't worry about the funds being through....i trust people always and being astronomy we are all here for the same reason not to bloody rip people off..let's hope it stays a excellent honest group all with the same purpose...

If I'm into astronomy to rip people off I'm extraordinarily bad at it. But someone has to be making money out of it, I've spent enough!!

Cheers
Stuart

mozzie (Peter) · #32 28-06-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rat156

If I'm into astronomy to rip people off I'm extraordinarily bad at it. But someone has to be making money out of it, I've spent enough!!

Cheers
Stuart

no not to rip people of in a price way!!!! but a no deposit back garbage or (hopefully never happens) don't send them the item...

marki · #33 28-06-2013, 07:14 PM

People have been ripped off when buying and selling on this site . Not so long ago the same dob was sold to several people and never delivered and sellers have sent an item on in good faith only to find no payment has or will be made with no way to get it back besides setting the police on the buyer but it is a rarity rather than the norm thank goodness. Perhaps the seller has experienced this or been annoyed by people pulling out at the last moment which should not be a problem unless they have gone and spent the money before they received payment, if so tuff luck, the buyer has the right to change their mind. I do not understand the need for a deposit, you have the cash, you want the item so buy it, it is not a department store. If you don't have the full amount then the seller would be foolish to overlook another opportunity to sell the gear outright. I operate as Marc (multiweb) has stated above, it is the only intelligent thing to do. If you are buying get the sellers details and contact them outside of the site, if you are selling wait for the cash to arrive before posting, simple. Having bought and sold lots of gear on this site I can say it works and I have never had a problem either as a buyer or seller, the vast majority are honest folk.

Mark

Stardrifter_WA · #34 28-06-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by marki

People have been ripped off when buying and selling on this site . Not so long ago the same dob was sold to several people and never delivered and sellers have sent an item on in good faith only to find no payment has or will be made with no way to get it back besides setting the police on the buyer but it is a rarity rather than the norm thank goodness.

Mark

As always Mark, Caveat Emptor (let the buyer beware). I only ever deal with people who are well known on this site, for the very reasons you give. Although, I realise that is no guarantee, it the best practice available. Using Paypal, is also an added level of security, as you can always place a dispute. If someone doesn't want to deal through Paypal, I would just walk away, which hasn't happened yet.

Fortunately, I have never had any problems buying from IIS or from the Internet, however, in this case, I only deal with reputable dealers. I have purchased a considerable amount of stuff via the Net, over the years, and have had only one occasion where something went missing, and I got a refund anyway.

I agree it would be fairly rare that this sort of thing would happen on IIS, as it is a small community, with a great bunch of people.

rat156 · #35 28-06-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mozzie

no not to rip people of in a price way!!!! but a no deposit back garbage or (hopefully never happens) don't send them the item...

I'm sorry Peter, I just don't understand what you're saying.

Cheers
Stuart

Profiler (Profiler) · #36 28-06-2013, 09:58 PM

I like reading IIS posts as it helps restore my "hope" in the goodness of human beings to do the right thing but I have had plenty of bad experiences here on IIS and I suspect many others have as well but can't be bothered writing about them.

Lets see - some of the more memorable experiences (in no order of priority)

1) I purchased a diagonal from a IIS member in WA who didn't expend a cent in packing the item and unsurprisingly it was broken when it arrived.

2) I agreed to buy an eyepiece and the IIS member flat out renegged on the deal.

3) I purchased refractors on two separate occasions wherein the respective IIS members have obviously engaged in false and misleading representations concerning the condition of the scope - put simply in plain English they said there was nothing wrong with the scope but when it arrived it was obviously damaged/defective and hence why they were off-loading it.

4) When selling a rather expensive OTA an IIS member contacted me wanting to purchase it via personal cheque. For some bizarre reason this IIS member couldn't grasp and indeed became quite upset when I indicated to him I wouldnt accept payment via cheque or at least wouldn't let the OTA go until the cheque had cleared.

5) I won't even get started with the many, many examples of IIS members who have renegged on undertakings to buy. I honestly can't recall how many I have experienced over the years. Suffice to say I don't even react anymore and simply move on.

:rofl :

Hans Tucker (Hans) · #37 28-06-2013, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Profiler

I like reading IIS posts as it helps restore my "hope" in the goodness of human beings to do the right thing but I have had plenty of bad experiences here on IIS and I suspect many others have as well but cant be bothered writing about them.

Lets see - some of the more memorable experiences

1) I purchased a diagonal from a IIS member in WA who didn't expend a cent in packing the item and unsurprisingly it was broken when it arrived.

2) I agreed to buy an eyepiece and the IIS member flat out renegged on the deal.

3) I purchased refractors on two separate occasion wherein the respectivee IIS members have obviously engaged in false and misleading representations concerning the condition of the scope - put simply in plain English they said there was nothing wrong with the scope but when it arrived it was obviously damaged/defective and hence why they were off-loading it.

4) When selling a rather expensive OTA an IIS member contacted me wanting to purchase it via personal cheque. For some bizarre reason this IIS member couldn't grasp and indeed became quite upset when I indicated to him I wouldnt accept payment via cheque or at least wouldn't let the OTA go until the cheque had cleared.

5) I won't even get started with the examples of IIS members who reneg on undertakings to buy. I honestly can't recall how many I have experienced. Suffice to say I don't even react anymore and simply move on.

:rofl :

Jeez, that is quite a few bad experiences. I am not sure I would be laughing about it if it were me.

The only one bad experience, if you could call it that, which I ever had on IIS was with an apathetic seller whom openly admitted that he could be bothered getting back to me regarding a few questions I had about a mount he had for sale.

Profiler (Profiler) · #38 28-06-2013, 10:12 PM

I think laughter is a good mechanism in developing experience and humility.

It is the people who take themselves too seriously and "need" to vent their spleen who are perhaps most problematic in life.

deanm (Dean) · #39 29-06-2013, 04:11 PM

I've only had good experiences around items I've bought from IIS members so far - and *all* communication by email/pm/sms only. Thanks guys:

Strawb (wedge for 6se), apaulo (EQdir), 5ash (Gstar camera).

And when I asked on an IIS forum where I could source NEQ6 knobs to replace a damaged one, Barrykgerdes offered to make some up in aluminium at his home workshop, gratis! (I sent him $20 for materials & postage & $20 to buy a bottle of nice wine, but I think that made him grumpy...!)

eBay sellers have 'satisfaction statistics' posted under their nom-de-keyboard. IIS lists sellers' historical activity. Maybe we should follow eBay's well-honed approach to buyer-validated seller ratings?

And, perhaps, vice versa (for the deceitful, non-paying 'buyers')?

Mike?

Dean

Kunama · #40 29-06-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by deanm

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eBay sellers have 'satisfaction statistics' posted under their nom-de-keyboard. IIS lists sellers' historical activity. Maybe we should follow eBay's well-honed approach to buyer-validated seller ratings?

And, perhaps, vice versa (for the deceitful, non-paying 'buyers'?

Mike?

Dean

Don't get me started on eBay Dean ..... I sold something to Rudy Ong of Southport, Australia Post confirmed that it was delivered to that goose. He then started a Paypal claim against me saying he did not sign for it ..... To avoid any bad feedback I gave the a-hole a full refund after which he left me bad feedback. I'll be in Southport in a few weeks

As far as IIS is concerned I have dealt with Zane, Lars, Steve B, Graeme Q, LewisM and many others and found them to be true gentlemen to deal with ........... I am always happy to refund the $$$ if someone is not happy with what they buy ..... its only money after all.