Can't believe what I saw on the train tonight...

[toc (Tim)]

I cant believe the crap I saw on the train tonight in Melbourne.

I got on the train at Flagstaff station at about 5:10 pm - rushhour.

Two goth looking teenage girls where sitting a few seats from the door drinking 7/11 slushies and legs stretched out, so no one could set opposite them. A few people got on and tried to sit there, but were abused in the most vicious manner. ('Ill slit your $##@ throat if you sit there you &*^&')

At the next station, one guy in his late 50's wasn't having any of that, and sat down anyway. One of the 'girls' then went completely nuts. She took her full load of drink and dumped it on his head, and then jumped up yelling and abusing him. She then through a bottle at his head, causing a nasty gash!

The other girl, was just sitting there laughing. She also just poured the drink all over him as she jumped up.

Both then hurled abuse for the next minute or so, and then moved to the next carriage.

All i can say is

We alerted the driver, and someone who looked like an undercover police man did confront them when they got off at the next station, but they just walked off, after threatening him as well.

Im not sure what you are meant to do in a situation like that. My thoughts at the time was that really wanted someone to punch her in the face, but that would definitely not resolve anything. Animals like that cant be reasoned with either. The guy just told them to 'grow up'. No one, including me, wanted to confront them, that's for sure.

[Larryp (Laurie)]

Sadly, this sort of behaviour is not unusual today.

[bojan]

In my time (and where I am from) they would have been thrown out of train at the first opportunity, by other passengers.

The problem is, they are getting away with this kind of behaviour because no-one dares to confront them, for various reasons.. the main reason probably is a lot of trouble for confronter - if you acted, you may have been accused by police or whoever for abusing them, and not the other way around.
The world is getting upside-down these days..

[04Stefan07 (Stefan)]

That is pathetic. Trains have cameras in all carriages so I am sure they will look at the footage and try to track these weirdos down.

Was this on the South Morang line?

[multiweb (Marc)]

I agree with Bojan. A back hander and thrown out of the train by others would have been the go but you'd get sued by the dead s||ts for doing that these days. Our society has been neutered. Too much Ally McBeal on the box.

[Poita (Peter)]

Originally Posted by Larryp

Sadly, this sort of behaviour is not unusual today.

Actually, that sort of behaviour (violence on the train) was a lot more common when I was younger. Maybe I was on a rougher line?

These days you just have to film them and let the driver know. They will usually be picked up at the next station.


BTW, this is an interesting talk on increasing (or not) violence levels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ramBFRt1Uzk

[toc (Tim)]

Originally Posted by 04Stefan07

That is pathetic. Trains have cameras in all carriages so I am sure they will look at the footage and try to track these weirdos down.

Was this on the South Morang line?

It was on the Hurstbridge line - If it has been the South Morang line, I think someone would have punched them in the face

I understand why no one really did anything. they were teenage girls. Not really anything a man can do there, unless they want a world of legal hassles. No doubt daddy would get them a nice lawyer.

[Forgey (Paula)]

Could have done a Citizen's arrest on then http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen...rrest#Victoria

[2stroke (Jay)]

Grow some balls

Victoria

In the Australian state of Victoria, the power to arrest is granted in section 458 of the Crimes Act 1958 (Vic).[3] It states that a person may, without a warrant, arrest a person that they find committing an offence for one or more of the following reasons:

• to ensure the appearance of the offender in court, and/or
• to preserve public order, and/or
• to prevent the continuation or repetition of the offence, or the commission of a further offence, and/or
• for the safety or welfare of the public or the offender

A person may also arrest another person if they are instructed to do so by a member of the police force, or if they believe on reasonable grounds that they are escaping legal custody.
Section 461 states that if an arrest is made under 458 of the Crimes Act, and is later proven to be false, then the arrest itself won't be considered unlawful if it was done so on reasonable grounds. Section 462A allows any person the right to use force "not disproportionate to the objective as he believes on reasonable grounds to be necessary to prevent the commission, continuance or completion of an indictable offence or to effect or assist in effecting the lawful arrest of a person committing or suspected of committing any offence".

[cfranks (Charles)]

Originally Posted by Larryp

Sadly, this sort of behaviour is not unusual today.

I may be a bit of an 'old f@rt' but I'm not impressed by the rest of the passengers just sitting there and doing nothing. That was common assault and grounds for emergency stopping the train, citizen's arrest or both. I like opening the doors and chucking them out! Preferably in a tunnel so they bounce between the wall and the train for a few iterations.

Charles

[Starless (Brian)]

This pair are simply polution in the human gene pool.
The human race is badly in need of culling.

[sophie (Jim)]

You are a better person than me.

I don't often get public transport anymore; I'm too old to get into the type of confrontations my temper puts me in. Don't know how I'd handle seeing this.

In this video, taken on Saturday in Perth, seems that courtesy towards the pregnant can't even be expected sometimes.

[Astro_Bot]

Where's Buffy the Vampire Slayer when you need her? She would have made short work of those two parasites.

More seriously, though, i remember Sydney in the 80's and not letting my girlfriend take the train home after 10pm due to the risk of violence. I think it's always been around, but we have the internet now to tell/show us all about it.

[Larryp (Laurie)]

Originally Posted by cfranks

I may be a bit of an 'old f@rt' but I'm not impressed by the rest of the passengers just sitting there and doing nothing. That was common assault and grounds for emergency stopping the train, citizen's arrest or both. I like opening the doors and chucking them out! Preferably in a tunnel so they bounce between the wall and the train for a few iterations.

Charles

The trouble is, if you lay a hand on these people, you will probably be in trouble yourself.
As others have said, its difficult and probably unacceptable for a male to physically restrain these females, even for a citizens arrest-I can just imagine the charges these girls would lay. Do you really want to go to court and hope you get off?
When I was growing up, the local cop would give you a boot up the bum and tell you to get home if you got out of line-unfortunately it doesn't happen any more!

[AstralTraveller (David)]

I'm not on trains much but a few years ago I was coming back from Sydney during rush hour and just nearby was a group of late teenage-early 20's males, shirtless, drinking and talking loudly about the tagging they were going to do. They were clearly out of order but also a bit too dangerous to annoy. Nearby were a couple of blokes who could have passed for undercover Ds, but then again maybe not. What made me think they were Ds is that one left the carriage and went out to the area near the door and made a phone call and when he returned the other sort of asked (more visually than verbally) "well?" to which the first replied "yes". I also noticed they were keeping an eye on the hooligans. Of course many others were too but it just seemed to me they were making sure the situation was under control so they didn't have to blow their cover. I was getting off the stop before them so I didn't if there was a welcoming committee at Wollongong Station. I hope there was!

Why do people act like this? Well, on the nature vs nurture debate I think this is nurture. We have this underclass of dysfunctional parents breeding (often like rabbits) dysfunctional kids. My sister is a mid-wife and she sees the start of the process all the time. [If you aren't going to try to be a decent parent in the maternity ward what will you be like at home?] Just recently they had one in that was having number 4, numbers 1-3 having been removed by DOCS. The child was born addicted and, again, will end up with DOCS. The problem is that DOCS only have enough resources to intervene in extreme cases. There is plenty of very bad parenting that nothing is done about. Often the friends and relatives of the dysfunctional parents are dysfunctional themselves so the child abuse just seems normal. It's a very sad state of affairs at turning it around would take a lot of effort, even if the political will was there to do something. Meanwhile this situation is a drain on the rest of society.

[blink138 (Pat)]

Originally Posted by AstralTraveller

I'm not on trains much but a few years ago I was coming back from Sydney during rush hour and just nearby was a group of late teenage-early 20's males, shirtless, drinking and talking loudly about the tagging they were going to do. They were clearly out of order but also a bit too dangerous to annoy. Nearby were a couple of blokes who could have passed for undercover Ds, but then again maybe not. What made me think they were Ds is that one left the carriage and went out to the area near the door and made a phone call and when he returned the other sort of asked (more visually than verbally) "well?" to which the first replied "yes". I also noticed they were keeping an eye on the hooligans. Of course many others were too but it just seemed to me they were making sure the situation was under control so they didn't have to blow their cover. I was getting off the stop before them so I didn't if there was a welcoming committee at Wollongong Station. I hope there was!

Why do people act like this? Well, on the nature vs nurture debate I think this is nurture. We have this underclass of dysfunctional parents breeding (often like rabbits) dysfunctional kids. My sister is a mid-wife and she sees the start of the process all the time. [If you aren't going to try to be a decent parent in the maternity ward what will you be like at home?] Just recently they had one in that was having number 4, numbers 1-3 having been removed by DOCS. The child was born addicted and, again, will end up with DOCS. The problem is that DOCS only have enough resources to intervene in extreme cases. There is plenty of very bad parenting that nothing is done about. Often the friends and relatives of the dysfunctional parents are dysfunctional themselves so the child abuse just seems normal. It's a very sad state of affairs at turning it around would take a lot of effort, even if the political will was there to do something. Meanwhile this situation is a drain on the rest of society.

compulsive sterilisation seems to be the way forward (for some) does it not?

[tlgerdes (Trevor)]

This is what happens when you give kids "rights" without responsibilities.

[toc (Tim)]

Originally Posted by 2stroke

Grow some balls

Victoria

In the Australian state of Victoria, the power to arrest is granted in section 458 of the Crimes Act 1958 (Vic).[3] It states that a person may, without a warrant, arrest a person that they find committing an offence for one or more of the following reasons:

• to ensure the appearance of the offender in court, and/or
• to preserve public order, and/or
• to prevent the continuation or repetition of the offence, or the commission of a further offence, and/or
• for the safety or welfare of the public or the offender

A person may also arrest another person if they are instructed to do so by a member of the police force, or if they believe on reasonable grounds that they are escaping legal custody.
Section 461 states that if an arrest is made under 458 of the Crimes Act, and is later proven to be false, then the arrest itself won't be considered unlawful if it was done so on reasonable grounds. Section 462A allows any person the right to use force "not disproportionate to the objective as he believes on reasonable grounds to be necessary to prevent the commission, continuance or completion of an indictable offence or to effect or assist in effecting the lawful arrest of a person committing or suspected of committing any offence".

And do what exactly? Hog tie them both? I didnt fancy being punched and kicked in the head by a bunch of drugged up teeenage girls, while I waited for the cops, especially since the train staff do nothing at all to intervene or assist.

[Starless (Brian)]

I find myself agreeing with Astral Traveller.
I rekon you should have to pass an IQ test and apply
for a licence before you are allowed to breed.
This pair are obviously raised by ignorant morons.

[Hans Tucker (Hans)]

Originally Posted by 04Stefan07

That is pathetic. Trains have cameras in all carriages so I am sure they will look at the footage and try to track these weirdos down.

Was this on the South Morang line?

I believe, and I may be wrong, that the CCTV Cameras in the carriages are only activated when the call for emergency button is pushed. In this instance the cameras should have been on recording the incident.

Trouble is society is accepting this behaviour as the norm. What would it take for Melbournians to get off their apathetic rears and mobilise to make the politicians and judicial system accountable. They promise safety on the trains but they are not delivering.