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Old 29-03-2013, 03:03 PM
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New Planetary Nebula?

How do I check to see if I think I have found a new PN? Is there a list of all known PN's?

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Old 29-03-2013, 03:20 PM
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Bert,Try this one.
http://www.astro.washington.edu/users/balick/PNIC/
Also this may help

http://www.astronomy-mall.com/Advent...ce/abellpn.htm
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Old 29-03-2013, 04:26 PM
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Hi Bert,

Presumably, you have approximate coordinates for the object.
Go to the SIMBAD database and search by coordinates (Coordinate Query).
http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-fcoo

You might want to broaden the search radius to say 2 degrees. Then sort the objects by type (select an arrow under Otype). The PNs should all group together. Will probably have all the NGC and IC PNs but not sure how all-inclusive the database is.

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Old 29-03-2013, 04:27 PM
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I checked at the first site after converting to Galactic Coordinates and it is not listed there.

I can only see it in HA an NII not OIII. It is very dim 20 mag or dimmer. It does not show up on DSS-2-red. It is a nice annulus about 90'' outer diameter. It is not visible in a deep RGB.

Below is a screen capture in NII.

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Odd that it should not show up in OIII, which is normally typical of PNs. Try here: http://www.blackskies.org/imageidx.htm Turns out there is an exclusive set of peeps finding these things.

Thanks for sharing your adventure and good luck
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Anything in Aladin/ Simbad???
http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-fid
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Anything in Aladin/ Simbad???
http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-fid

Nothing that matches its position. I am sure it is an undiscovered PN as the foreground stars mask the very faint HA/NII signal. Dust could be attenuating any OIII signal. It is only the 3nm filters and fast optics and low noise camera that have revealed it. Four hours of exposure in 3nm NII also helps.

How do I go about reporting it?

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Old 30-03-2013, 11:47 AM
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I'd contact the webmaster from Blackskies.org, he seem like the sort of person to know!
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Old 30-03-2013, 01:56 PM
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Oooh, look forward to hearing the outcome Bert!!
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Nice one Bert,
I hope it's a new one for you, good luck with the reporting.
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Nothing that matches its position. I am sure it is an undiscovered PN as the foreground stars mask the very faint HA/NII signal. Dust could be attenuating any OIII signal. It is only the 3nm filters and fast optics and low noise camera that have revealed it. Four hours of exposure in 3nm NII also helps.

How do I go about reporting it?

Bert
Hi Bert,

You might like to read about the discovery and reporting of the Bubble Nebula in Cygnus ...
http://www.starimager.com/Image%20Ga...e%20nebula.htm

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Nice find Bert, looks like gravitational lensing a tad.
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Like this
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Nice find Bert, looks like gravitational lensing a tad.
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I was thinking the same.
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Best of luck with this Bert.
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Whats the latest on this Bert?
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Whats the latest on this Bert?

In the process of working out how to report it and get it confirmed.

I checked all the data I have. It seems that there are quite a few stars that are in front? of the HA/NII ring and mask its existence. It was only the 3nm filters that attenuated these stars enough so that the ring of the PN was more obvious.

I can just see it on the DSS images because I know it is there.

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Old 03-04-2013, 07:36 AM
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I contacted the Yahoo group Deepskyhunters. It turns out it is a known PN.

It was a worthwhile exercise as I now know more about checking data bases.

Here is an animated gif with an image from SuperCOSMOS H-alpha Survey and my image. 5MB

http://d1355990.i49.quadrahosting.co...3_04/NPN_2.gif



SuperCOSMOS H-alpha Survey here

http://www-wfau.roe.ac.uk/sss/halpha/hapixel.html




The MASH catalogue of Planetary Nebula here

http://vizier.u-strasbg.fr/vizier/MASH/


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Bert,
I made enquiries with CDS on your behalf....just received the following reply:

First, you should check that the object is not yet listed in a known list of Planetary Nebulae. You can search for example SIMBAD by coordinates and see if a known object is found :
http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad/sim-fcoo
Also, you can check in a catalogue of known planetary nebulae in VizieR, for example :
http://vizier.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/VizieR-3?-source=V/127A
You can use the Aladin sky atlas :
http://aladin.u-strasbg.fr/java/nph-aladin.pl?frame=downloading
And check if the object is visible in other Halpha surveys (e.g. Image Servers> Others> Supercosmos Halpha)
I also CC this mail to Prof. Parker who has extensive knowledge of planetary nebulae discovery, and can probably assist you further. I am not sure the IAU Astronomical Telegrams are relevant for announcing PNe discoveries http://www.cbat.eps.harvard.edu/index.html
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Sorry to hear it Bert. At least you got something out of the exercise
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