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[ZeroID (Brent)]

Hate to tell you Satchmo but disturbing others peace is also agin the Noise Nuisance Laws over here. Any time of the day or night. Each person has the right to enjpy their own situation BUT they are not allowed to infringe upon anothers right to do exactly the same. ie don't annoy the neighbours !
I don't mind a bit of music heard from afar even at night as long as it is not every night. My audio system is quite capable of shattering windows in the lounge ( Denon Amp, Polk Studio Speakers, 12" sub) but I still don't annoy the neighbours with it unnecessarily. A bit of respect all round makes for much more harmonious living for all.

[Satchmo]

Originally Posted by AstroFlyer

In responding to noise complaints, an authorised officer will take the approach of what a 'reasonable person' would consider offensive."

The whole concept is hilarious, theres no doubt.

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by Satchmo

The whole concept is hilarious, theres no doubt.

Without the concept of a 'reasonable person' I suspect much of our legal system would fall apart. I can see problems with that concept but can anyone suggest an alternative?

In this case, neighbours making noise is not necessarily a problem, it's the frequency (in the temporal sense) and the duration. My neighbours have parties and I'm known to give it a nudge for an hour or two on Friday night. What I wouldn't find acceptable is 12 hours, especially if this is to be standard behavior.

[Colin_Fraser]

Originally Posted by Satchmo

So in other words the whole debate is over some blurry line of the law.

Not really.
The debate is about a persons rights to enjoyment of life without adverse effects from nuisance of noise as set out quite clearly (not blurry) in law versus those who oppose his rights.
Really comes down to having respect for other people. Most people do. Some don't.

[AG Hybrid (Adrian)]

First world problem right here.



You could always play loud music back. Direct some speaks at their house and play something contrasting. Like Dolly Parton loudly. Couldn't think of anything more contrasting to the doof.
If you consider yourself the cerebral sort. You can set them up for the offside trap by making them to play their music even loader in an attempt to drown out your music and get the whole street complaining about them. Should garner some more attention from the local PD.

Still a first world problem though.

[clive milne]

I live next door to people who regularly engage in live (punk) band practice with drum kit, guitars, amps etcetera set up on their back patio. I find their taste in music about as contrary to mine as it gets, invariably it is also loud as blazes.

I do not find it nearly as intrusive as intolerant people I have lived next to (previously) who believe it is their inalienable right to dictate their own measure of 'reasonable' on everyone around them.

Noise is much easier to tune out than a pious a**hole.

Actually... a case in point.
I lived on acreage in Margaret River a few years ago... the neighbour was constantly complaining to the police about noise trespass.
Even had the police come out to issue us a warning when we were on holidays, 300km away. We lived on the border of forrest so maybe the
possums broke in and arked up the stereo...

Now that to me is intrusive.

[Mick (Michael)]

Originally Posted by AG Hybrid

You could always play loud music back. Direct some speaks at their house and play something contrasting. Like Dolly Parton loudly.

Dolly can .... http://youtu.be/Ng0frPPsKxs

[AstroFlyer (Arek)]

Originally Posted by Satchmo

So in other words the whole debate is over some blurry line of the law. If you don't like the music your interpretation of what level is reasonable is likely to be a lower level than if you do . I do enjoy seeing people squirm over their interpretation of the `law'.

I personally do not think the type of music have anything to do with the noise issue, it's the level at which it is played.
The debate is do you have the right to play anything you want at the level you want at any time you want.
I'm guessing Adrian just want's to get a decent amount of sleep before going to work.
Surely that is his right?

[clive milne]

Originally Posted by AstroFlyer

I personally do not think the type of music have anything to do with the noise issue, it's the level at which it is played.

Whilst this may be a tangent to the OP, I can tell you categorically that this is absolutely not true.

Distortion is actually the single largest cue for our perception of loudness. (3rd order harmonic being the worst offender). The style of music also has a large bearing on our threshold of irritation. If you don't like it (style) the level goes down dramatically.

[BPO]

Originally Posted by clive milne

I do not find it nearly as intrusive as intolerant people I have lived next to (previously) who believe it is their inalienable right to dictate their own measure of 'reasonable' on everyone around them.

But which of them is the most antisocial?

Noise is much easier to tune out than a pious a**hole.

Something a lot of us at the forum are beginning to learn.

Actually... a case in point.
I lived on acreage in Margaret River a few years ago... the neighbour was constantly complaining to the police about noise trespass.

Ah. Now we understand.

I had a friend who was always moaning about his neighbours because they often asked him not to sing late at night. He believed they were philistines, unable to appreciate his greatness. What he failed to understand - didn't want to understand - was that he is quite possibly the worst singer in history. He believed himself to be an amazingly good singer, and that he was doing everyone else a favour by singing. Just like some adolescent git who believes that everyone wants to lie awake all night and listen to the really cool music he loves.

[AndrewJ]

Just an interesting take on loudness, repetition and choice of music
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...usa.guantanamo

There do have to be some limits.

And if you dont like neighbours noise, try dealing with dogs.
No one wants to address that, esp if the owner is happy to spend 10s of thousands in court defending their little darlings.

Andrew

[Barrykgerdes]

I am lucky to live in a quiet friendly neighbourhood. Noise does not bother me as I am profoundly deaf and can turn my hearing aids off.

However my neighbour across the road approached all of us last year and said he was going to have a reunion with his old band and they would be practicing for a couple of days and that he would try to keep any excesive noise down.

What actually happened was that he played "our" kind of music and we all went over to his place to sit and listen. (and he provide supper)

Barry

[Satchmo]

Originally Posted by Colin_Fraser

Not really.
The debate is about a persons rights to enjoyment of life without adverse effects from nuisance of noise as set out quite clearly (not blurry) in law versus those who oppose his rights.
Really comes down to having respect for other people. Most people do. Some don't.

The blurry lines are the perception of legal levels which some people find bothersome and others don't. I think there is far more suburban distress caused by people who feel they should not have to hear their neighbors at all than those that have a give and take attitude. If you live in the suburbs then expect some noise.

My neighbors and their teenage kids sometimes have fairly loud parties that can go to 3am ( one on a wednesday night last week). I have never contemplated calling the police- good on them for living life to the full. At the same time I don't hesitate to hold back on the volume levels of my own music when I feel like it , but usually not after 10 30 on a weeknight or 12am on a weekend, but as I am tolerant of my neighbors they are tolerant of me and I do not live in fear of the neighbors, if I lose myself in the music

[Octane (Humayun)]

I do like the give/take attitude, Mark. I guess it means harmony for all.

See what I did there?

H

[astroron (Ron)]

This maybe of interest to people in this thread:question :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19783855
There are going to be some very unhappy people in Britain over this
And some very happy pub and club goers
Cheers

[BPO]

Originally Posted by Satchmo

If you live in the suburbs then expect some noise.

Yes. Cars driving by. Lawnmowers on Saturday afternoon. Little kids playing.

Adolescent morons partying at a trillion decibels all night, every night? No.

My neighbors and their teenage kids sometimes have fairly loud parties that can go to 3am ( one on a wednesday night last week). I have never contemplated calling the police- good on them for living life to the full. At the same time I don't hesitate to hold back on the volume levels of my own music when I feel like it , but usually not after 10 30 on a weeknight or 12am on a weekend, but as I am tolerant of my neighbors they are tolerant of me and I do not live in fear of the neighbors, if I lose myself in the music

Do you have children? Or are you one of those middle-aged, never married, never-grew-up types?

I have two very small children, and young neighbours who can't see why I get cranky when they turn their stereo volume all the way up to 11 every night and all night, preventing my kids from sleeping (properly) as a result.

It's not because they are good young fellahs, living life to the fullest, intolerant old stick-in-the mud carmudgeon neighbours be damned. It's because they are selfish little losers with the IQ of parsley.

And facebook is still for gumbies.

[Zhou (Mick)]

Originally Posted by Satchmo

My neighbors and their teenage kids sometimes have fairly loud parties that can go to 3am ( one on a wednesday night last week). I have never contemplated calling the police- good on them for living life to the full. At the same time I don't hesitate to hold back on the volume levels of my own music when I feel like it , but usually not after 10 30 on a weeknight or 12am on a weekend, but as I am tolerant of my neighbors they are tolerant of me and I do not live in fear of the neighbors, if I lose myself in the music

Good for you mark; perhaps people are too easy to upset nowadays?

I love playing my stereo and my guitar and I am tolerant of others living around me doing the same on occasions.

[Octane (Humayun)]

Does that mean you're on there?

H

Originally Posted by BPO

And facebook is still for gumbies.

[Satchmo]

Originally Posted by BPO

Or are you one of those middle-aged, never married, never-grew-up types?

SNIP

It's because they are selfish little losers with the IQ of parsley.

Thank goodness for the Tasman Sea

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Originally Posted by astroron

This maybe of interest to people in this thread:question :
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-19783855
There are going to be some very unhappy people in Britain over this
And some very happy pub and club goers
Cheers

In many ways that sounds fair enough. If the place is in a commercial area and the venue was there before the residents then I can't see how they can complain. In town here a block of units was built opposite a night club. While they were being sold the club put up a sign pointing out that 'this is a nightclub and we make lots of noise all night'. If you chose to buy a unit there then you should be willing to put up with the noise.

The use of the criteria 'unamplified' is problematic. Clearly they mean 'relatively quiet' but under the rules a singer-guitarist with a 20W amp needs a permit but a big band with 20 brass instruments and a drum kit has free reign. And what about the bluegrass blokes I play with. If had an upright bass we would be unamplified but because I play an acoustic bass guitar I'm a bit quiet compared to the front line and so use my 30W practice amp just to balance things a bit. I think the criteria is a can of worms.