ANZAC diggers labelled 'bludgers, thieves'

[Baddad (Marty)]

Quote from Avandonk,


Both Aussie and NZ troops were held in low esteem by the British commanders as they had 'no sense of discipline'. This is shorthand for 'will not blindly follow idiotic orders issued by morons'.

The landing on Apr 25 1915 is considered to be one of the biggest military blunders ever.

The British have a history of such up until recent times. Officers were selected from "upper class" whether competent or not.

I have to agree with You Bert.

On the thread issue. I have personally had time with NZ troops and there are some very nasty stories about some NZ troops that I have witnessed. Most of them are trustworthy. Its just a minority that gives them a bad name.

Cheers

[avandonk]

Eric Bogle is a mate of mine. He wrote this song a long time ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUzQ6Am-bbc


It is a version that appeals to all sides.

Here is Eric himself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG99w...eature=related

here is another great song


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=471-u...eature=related

Bert

[JohnG (John)]

Originally Posted by avandonk

John my first father in law served on HMS Vendetta in WW2. He never spoke about it apart from the fun they managed to have. Have I got the designation correct for the ship? It wasn't HMSS was it?


Bert

Hi Bert

Official designation for commissioned Australian warships is HMAS (His/Her Majesties Australian Ship). Uncommissioned ships now use the designation of ADFS until intergration with the fleet.

HMAS Vendetta (1) was a V&W Class destroyer, she served with distinction during WW2.

My father very rarely ever spoke about the sinking of HMAS Canberra, he suffered a lot of PTSD later in life.

Cheers

[Paul Haese]

I bet Jock Anderson (aka the maker of the statement in the article) can expect a special search next time he comes here. Cavity searches can sometimes go wrong.

As a former digger and a descendant of a great grandfather who died at Ypres and a grand father who was a rat of Tobruk I guess I should be insulted but I know there are just people out there who are jealous of Aussies and this is just further evidence of this. Maybe Aussies were lazy but they still died in high numbers and I reckon this must show how courageous these men were.

Don't worry about this article, just think about Jock's little inspection.

[avandonk]

Originally Posted by Paul Haese

I bet Jock Anderson (aka the maker of the statement in the article) can expect a special search next time he comes here. Cavity searches can sometimes go wrong.

As a former digger and a descendant of a great grandfather who died at Ypres and a grand father who was a rat of Tobruk I guess I should be insulted but I know there are just people out there who are jealous of Aussies and this is just further evidence of this. Maybe Aussies were lazy but they still died in high numbers and I reckon this must show how courageous these men were.

Don't worry about this article, just think about Jock's little inspection.

Dare I say this but they are inspecting the wrong a-hole!


Bert

[Stardrifter_WA]

Who cares what others think! It is what we think that is important.

Besides, who believes everything that a "journalist" has to say. Frankly, I believe less than half and doubt the rest anyway. So, why such a fuss over what a journo says?

Now, if a prominent Aussie said the same thing, then the outrage would be justified.

[Baddad (Marty)]

Over the years I have attended more than my share of Dawn Services.
I have met and spoken with many old retired soldiers.
Their stories confirm what journos have to say, and that is:

The Germans, Turks and later the Japs never liked to take on an Aussie force. They'd much rather fight Yanks or British or anyone else. They claimed that the Aussies employed unconventional strategies. They were unfair and conjuctioned with Anzac courage the Anzacs were a formidable opponent.

Example:

German force lead by tanks. The Anzacs opened up their line and allowed the tanks through. Closing again behind the tanks. Separating the following German infantry from the tanks. This strategy made the tanks ineffective. The German infantry was clobbered. The tanks ended in "no mans' land, at the mercy of artillary.

After seeing much of the Nurnburg (Neurenberg) trial clips and documentries. Where the Nazi war criminals were fronted for their crimes. I am surprised that they called the Anzac soldiers unfair.

I recently returned from Germany. The German people today are a very good people. They are embarrassed to be the surviving populace of such a violent and sadistic military in the past. There are even laws in place that really surprised me. These laws effectively prevent anyone from denying that the holocaust took place, and a number of other issues to make the past Nazi Rule a bad time in German History.

Visiting the old concentration camps was a creepy experience.
I wont enter into that here. To have experienced it on a TV set is moderately tolerable. To see the camps first hand. I get goose bumps.

No body wins a war. There are huge losses on both sides.
These Kiwis who are making these accusations obviously have never experienced anything like a battle. Their info is poorly obtained. Their not well informed at all. In my mind they have some kind of sour-grape mentality towards the Aussies and I would say they are a minority.

The better Kiwi people are very loyal and trusting to the Anzac tradition. I have never found a bad Kiwi personally. I have only heard about them.

Cheers