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Love the image only critque is that I;m not overly keen on the flaring/spikes (not the diffraction spikes) around the stars but thats just a personal taste thingy

the detail in the nebula structure is superb as is the colour

I've never been able to pick animals out of clouds

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Not exactly sure what you are referring to in "the flaring/spikes (not diffraction spikes)" is it someting that I have done in the processing or is it something caused by the optics

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Old 04-01-2012, 04:12 PM
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An award winning image surely Mike. I agree with John's comment about the 3D aspect. It is very well framed and delivers that impact.

I also enjoyed the star colours and how these have been controlled.

I'll stick with my astro 40D for a while but I am seriously considering one of those Starlight Xpress slimline OAGs and using my DBK in that. I think I need to do this with my 8"SN (F4). What do you think Mike?

Thoroughly enjoyed this and glad you got some clear nights!! Thanks too for showing us!

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Old 04-01-2012, 04:34 PM
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An award winning image surely Mike. I agree with John's comment about the 3D aspect. It is very well framed and delivers that impact.

I also enjoyed the star colours and how these have been controlled.

I'll stick with my astro 40D for a while but I am seriously considering one of those Starlight Xpress slimline OAGs and using my DBK in that. I think I need to do this with my 8"SN (F4). What do you think Mike?

Thoroughly enjoyed this and glad you got some clear nights!! Thanks too for showing us!

Darrin...
Cheers Darrin glad you like it it's a bold image and may not be everyone's cup of tea.

Re the OAG, I think they are a great idea, I could probably even do with one as I do get some differential flexure in some areas of the sky with this scope/camera/guide scope combination, it is reasonably manageable and getting a shorter guide scope-guider train would be helpful too

I (and I am sure a couple of others ) am glad I got some clear skies too, I was going mad reprocessing M42

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Damn!that's terrific, and a unique view....good one Merlin.
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Old 04-01-2012, 05:27 PM
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Damn!that's terrific, and a unique view....good one Merlin.
Oh ya Louie...shazzam

It's always hard to produce even vaguely unique work on an old favourite.

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Woah!

That's a stunner Mike!
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Friggin excellent Mike, the bok detail is awesome.
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Whoa... niceeeeeee.... image Mike!

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Thanks Paul, kind words

I am surprised more people don't use narrowband data to do RGB type work actually, it really ain't rocket science



....ahhh, probably not DM's cup of tea I am afraid ... maybe if I put three next to each other in the one frame...

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Wish I could, I just need a much larger filter wheel in each camera to hold all the filters. I am considering getting a the QSI683 with the extra large filter wheel. Price looks good at present and I can sell my current camera to help finance it. Hmmmm more filters.

Yeah three in a row is the go mate. Works for me.
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Hi Mike,

That is stunning.

But not sure if its my laptop as its not calibrated, do you think it'll look even better if the black point were a bit higher as in darker? I'm no expert but do love contrasts.

I tried it and it really brings out the whole nebula. this is the histogram in gimp without any change.

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Astonishing image, Mike. We're so used to smaller images of this with a bit of sky around that it's a real jolt to get in close and dirty. So much to see! I especially like the colour contrasts with the gold stars against the blue. As for the fish??!! What is this, a cosmic Rorshach test?
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Fantastic image Mike, definitely one of your best! The tunnel effect is really noticeable, I have never really looked at the Rosette in that way so thanks a lot for this. And all those bok globules and dark condensations, they are really outstanding.

I did wonder where the 'double' set of spikes came from, you seem to have 8 spikes instead of 4. It made me curious. I may be wrong but I don't recall seeing that in your earlier test images with the new scope?
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Fantastic image Mike. Tunnel of Fire maybe, but you've certainly accentuated the 3D effect of the rose petals too I think
A new reference image of this area for sure.

I'd be interested in a bit more detail on how you collect and utilise the NB data if that isn't a trade secret? How many subs of what length and what sort of relative percentages NB/RGB - and is it mainly NB with RGB used primarily on a star mask to make them more natural?
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Mike,
The field of view is really impressive, as is the amazing detail. I'm tempted to buy a bigger monitor & video card so I can fit the 'original' version on my screen. I feel like I'm missing out big time when I view the 'large' version which does fit on my screen.
I also wondered why some stars seem to have 8 spikes - it doesn't distract from the image - just a question how that happens.
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Hi Mike,

That is stunning.

But not sure if its my laptop as its not calibrated, do you think it'll look even better if the black point were a bit higher as in darker? I'm no expert but do love contrasts.

I tried it and it really brings out the whole nebula. this is the histogram in gimp without any change.

regds
Cheers Alistair.

Hey it may well look better to some presented slightly darker but I think it also depends on, the monitor you look at it on and the program you look at it in, it even looks different when displayed on PBase compared to how it looks on my screen in Photoshop, then there is the degree of ambient light in the room and finally personal preference too I guess? I ,like contrast but hate losing anything in the faint outer areas too

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Astonishing image, Mike. We're so used to smaller images of this with a bit of sky around that it's a real jolt to get in close and dirty. So much to see! I especially like the colour contrasts with the gold stars against the blue. As for the fish??!! What is this, a cosmic Rorshach test?
Thanks Graeme...yes it all hast to do with the sexual relationship you hat wit your mater as a childt

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Fantastic image Mike, definitely one of your best! The tunnel effect is really noticeable, I have never really looked at the Rosette in that way so thanks a lot for this. And all those bok globules and dark condensations, they are really outstanding.

I did wonder where the 'double' set of spikes came from, you seem to have 8 spikes instead of 4. It made me curious. I may be wrong but I don't recall seeing that in your earlier test images with the new scope?
Thanks Rolf glad it was a bit of a new experience for you always hard to create a new experience with such a popular target.

Re the extra diff spikes, see what I say to James below

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Fantastic image Mike. Tunnel of Fire maybe, but you've certainly accentuated the 3D effect of the rose petals too I think
A new reference image of this area for sure.
Thanks Rob, kind words

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I'd be interested in a bit more detail on how you collect and utilise the NB data if that isn't a trade secret? How many subs of what length and what sort of relative percentages NB/RGB - and is it mainly NB with RGB used primarily on a star mask to make them more natural?
Oh god where do I start...I said it wasn't rocket science but the way I do it it would be like Pro Hart trying to describe his technique, looks easy but there are many blends and iterations to get to the final result, it really is like some sort of mad painting session for me .

Anyway, not sure how helpful they will be but here are a few things I do:

Generally I blend the OIII into the blue, the Ha into the red and SII into the green (adjusting the blend ratios by eye), I then do various blends of these usually by a blend of the Ha and OIII as the luminance in an LRGB process a few times, interating saturation increases and hue changes.

I do compile a straight RGB version from the RGB data and utilise this to impart the colour to both the nebula and the stars at various stages. I combine the Ha frame with a star minimised version of the RGB too in order to get better matching stars to paste in the later stages of the process. I use two of Noel Carboni's actions too, mostly "select RGB stars" and "local contrast enhancement" .

Along the way I use S curves in PS quite a bit (anchored at several points) to accentuate the features and colours I want to.

Then there is various degrees of shadow highlights (very carefully) and unsharp mask to bring out some of the finer details. I do various versions of varying degrees of aggressiveness and blend them together similar to the technique popularised by Ken Crawford for galaxy details - its much more time consuming for large complex nebulae though.

It really feels like a mad painters studio when I process not the methodical accountant type, lots of bit of this bit of that

Hope that..?..was interesting?

Mike

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Mike,
The field of view is really impressive, as is the amazing detail. I'm tempted to buy a bigger monitor & video card so I can fit the 'original' version on my screen. I feel like I'm missing out big time when I view the 'large' version which does fit on my screen.
I also wondered why some stars seem to have 8 spikes - it doesn't distract from the image - just a question how that happens.
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Hi James

You can open the original version and then shrink it in your browser to fit better on your screen.

This happens on the bright stars to varying degrees due to the specific scope design but because I also manually went in and reduced the prominent halos from around the very brightest stars using the paint brush and clone tools, a few stars I may have inadvertently highlighted these four small spikes trying not obliterate data...?

Mike
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Old 05-01-2012, 12:15 AM
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That's a stunner Mike!
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Friggin excellent Mike, the bok detail is awesome.
Thanks Ivo and Fred

Yes the Bok globules are so interesting in this nebulae, they do set it off nicely and feel closer to the viewer than the rest of the nebula thus accentuating the 3D feel.

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Very very nice work!!
Great to have new data to work with isn't it.
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Gee that camera has some real estate on the sensor Mike. That's a huge field of view for 1.1meters odd.
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Very very nice work!!
Great to have new data to work with isn't it.
Yes have to agree... even if it aint yours either

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Gee that camera has some real estate on the sensor Mike. That's a huge field of view for 1.1meters odd.
Yes makes me a CCD Land Barron

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