NBN Myths Busted

[Ray?]

Originally Posted by supernova1965

Thanks Ron that is exactly what I meant I don't believe that anything yet is even on the horizon

The visible horizon has always been about 25km away; however, it's amazing how easy it has been to go beyond the visible and metaphorical horizon throughout history.

Cheers

Ray

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

Originally Posted by Ray?

The visible horizon has always been about 25km away; however, it's amazing how easy it has been to go beyond the visible and metaphorical horizon throughout history.

Cheers

Ray

Ah but too the prespective of the person moving towards the horizon it is impossible to cross the horizon it is only someone watching the traveler that see's them cross it. So it is literally impossible to cross our own horizon. That should do a few heads in if they try to understand that

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by Ray?

The visible horizon has always been about 25km ...

Actually, no, when I'm at work it's about 200 nautical miles.

Don't get me wrong. Modulating optical frequencies to carry data has massive bandwidth potential, and could deliver the contents of the entire National library to your PC in scant seconds.

But what are *you* i.e your average Joe, ( or Joanne ) going to do with it?

Put your hand up for remote brain surgery?

As the great L. Toons luminary and B. Bunny side-kick once said: "not this little black duck"

P.S.
(big hint to the horizon problem...the distance depends on your altitude )

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

I like the little political comments that have crept in here and there

A National Broadband Network is visionary stuff (so simply not in the conservative psychi )...given time and a chance it has the potential to be revolutionary

Mike

[Ray?]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

I like the little political comments that have crept in here and there

A National Broadband Network is visionary stuff (so simply not in the conservative psychi )...given time and a chance it has the potential to be revolutionary

Mike

How can it be visionary? The technology has been around for decades and is but one option over many. There are options already providing what the NBN is supposed to deliver (and often barely used).

Existing technology, simply expanded, isn't revolutionary. The motor car was revolutionary over the horse and cart, and led to a whole new way of life and industry (same for the industrial revolution).

Cable broadband is hardly likely to equate to that (unless you consider faster download of porn, movies and music revolutionary).

Cheers

Ray

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

....

A National Broadband Network is visionary stuff..........

Mike

Ditto Rays comments. I get 20Mb per sec via Coax at present.

Subscribing to a slower data rate via NBN optical fibre will actually cost existing cable users more.

Hardly visionary.

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

Originally Posted by Ray?

How can it be visionary? The technology has been around for decades and is but one option over many. There are options already providing what the NBN is supposed to deliver (and often barely used).

Existing technology, simply expanded, isn't revolutionary. The motor car was revolutionary over the horse and cart, and led to a whole new way of life and industry (same for the industrial revolution).

Cable broadband is hardly likely to equate to that (unless you consider faster download of porn, movies and music revolutionary).

Cheers

Ray

Ray if you are going to talk about tech with the speed and reliability of fibre optic you need to name it.

There is no current way that you can get 100 MBPS anywhere in Australia and with fibre it only needs the ends above any flood level and it will keep operating under water that can't be done with copper.

If you can come up with tech that is as durable and provides the speed of Fibre to the predicted 98% of Australians you may even convince me I am wrong but you have failed to do that the only thing that comes close is Cable which you need a different type of router and live in the largest cities in Australia I may be wrong but I believe cable only services Sydney and Melbourne.

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

Ditto Rays comments. I get 20Mb per sec via Coax at present.

Subscribing to a slower data rate via NBN optical fibre will actually cost existing cable users more.

Hardly visionary.

I am pleased for you most Australian's can't get that and it doesn't beat 100MBPS. The top speed available up here is 8 MBPS at present and that costs around $200 per month

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by supernova1965

I am pleased for you most Australian's can't get that and it doesn't beat 100MBPS. The top speed available up here is 8 MBPS at present and that costs around $200 per month

Rural Australia gets a pretty bad serve in many respects, of which ISP's are part of a long list.

Is 100MBs going to build a regional hospital, provide clean cheap energy, irrigate the land, give you better roads, air-services or high speed rail to the big smoke?

I suspect for many 100MBps will simply replicate what CD-ROM's did last century.

They had so much storage compared to other data mediums, a whole new form of software came out....they called it "shovel-ware".... as it was literally meagbytes of useless...well...stuff you'd normally shovel.

[bojan]

Originally Posted by Ray?

How can it be visionary?... There are options already providing what the NBN is supposed to deliver (and often barely used).

I would also very much like to know what exactly are those options.

[avandonk]

The whole point of the original post was to give the layman a real view of why and what the NBN is.

Myths debunked

Copper does not come close
FTTN will need more HFC or wireless connections and will cost more than FTTH or FTTP
HFC is not a solution as it is already overloaded as it cannot cope with peak loads
Wireless will never beat optical fibre.

It is sad that it has reduced to an argument between uninformed people pushing their own uninformed barrows of ignorance.

I have 30Mbits/1.2Mbits at the moment in the middle of the night! I have Telstra HFC with 200GB limit. At peak times this can slow down to about 5Mbits/sec. So I could not care less for the rest of you.

Anecdotal evidence is just that anecdotal.

Stick to flying 747's Peter as a communications expert you are not very good.

Bert

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by avandonk

as a communications expert you are not very good.

Bert

Agreed, this is wandering at multiple tangents to your original post Bert.

The NBN will indeed have massive capacity and robustness. I simply have serious doubts about the bulk of end user benefits.

BTW the avionics in the (non-Boeing) aircraft I've been on for a number of years now are highly networked.....full duplex routers etc.

But can't send out for pizza... yet

[avandonk]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

Agreed, this is wandering at multiple tangents to your original post Bert.

The NBN will indeed have massive capacity and robustness. I simply have serious doubts about the bulk of end user benefits.

BTW the avionics in the (non-Boeing) aircraft I've been on for a number of years now are highly networked.....full duplex routers etc.

But can't send out for pizza... yet

Peter have you ever met my brother Ben he is a check captain with Qantas.

He is just as sure of himself as you are. I suppose it goes with the territory you both inhabit.

Bert

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by avandonk

Peter have you ever met my brother Ben .............just as sure of himself as you are. I suppose it goes with the territory you both inhabit.

Bert

Haven't had the pleasure. Yes, you are probably right.

[avandonk]

Peter as a mere passenger on a large jet I hope that the captain is as smart as he thinks he is at flying at least!
My brother always says 'correct' rather than right to not cause confusion in the cockpit. This affectation sounds strange in normal conversation on the ground.
Bert

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by avandonk

............ I hope that the captain is as smart as he thinks he is at flying at least! ....
Bert

Flying? What's that?

It's more like managing...in IT parlance..."mission critical" systems these days

[avandonk]

Originally Posted by Peter Ward

Flying? What's that?

It's more like managing...in IT parlance..."mission critical" systems these days

Yes my brother told me about a flight crew who looked at each other muttering 'what is it doing now?' This was in a simulator.

Bert

[supernova1965 (Warren)]

No people have mentioned that telephones are going to be over the NBN and this will ensure better comunication during natural disasters.

[Peter Ward]

Originally Posted by supernova1965

No people have mentioned that telephones are going to be over the NBN and this will ensure better comunication during natural disasters.

Depends.

Has your handset melted?
Cabling..above or below ground?
Was the seismic-rift big enough to snap glass, but not big enough to overly extrude copper?
Is your house under-water or just the optical fibre leading to it?

Sorry...a long bow at best

[Ray?]

Originally Posted by supernova1965

Ray if you are going to talk about tech with the speed and reliability of fibre optic you need to name it.

There is no current way that you can get 100 MBPS anywhere in Australia and with fibre it only needs the ends above any flood level and it will keep operating under water that can't be done with copper.

If you can come up with tech that is as durable and provides the speed of Fibre to the predicted 98% of Australians you may even convince me I am wrong but you have failed to do that the only thing that comes close is Cable which you need a different type of router and live in the largest cities in Australia I may be wrong but I believe cable only services Sydney and Melbourne.

Let me quote you some statements made by engineers in the 90s when the Internet rubber started to hit the road: '14Kbs is the max that you'll ever get from copper wire', later: 'you'll never be able to exceed 36Kbs'. No one could conceive the speeds that one could get through copper wire in that decade, yet we have ADSL2+ speeds (for some) coming through copper wire, something no one would have believed in the 90s. Cable is not necessarily the ultimate solution.

You're now introducing other aspects into the debate, which have nothing to do with the technology itself, but more with redundancy that can be implemented into any technology. Copper wire, for example, works fine under water and has done so for nearly a century. That's what formed the basis of the first submarine comminication cables across the Atlantic and Pacific.

Even the NBN will not reach the majority of the rural population and will be supplemented with alternative technologies. Read the NBN charter and you'll see that it will depend on a number of alternatives because it will be exceedingly expensive to take fibre optic to every doorstep in Australia.

Telstra is also not restricted in providing alternative technology, the only thing that it has agreed to do is not promote such technology over the NBN. That says something in itself.

Cheers

Ray